what would you do in this situation?

mid stages of 13K tourny.
my stack 13K ,
villian stack 5.5K
blinds 200/400
UTG open raises to 800
UTG+1 (Hero) calls with 99.
every one folds to the villian on the BB who reraises to 2400 leaving him self about 3K left.
my read on the villian is that he is very good player and well caple of making this move with any two cards and try to dteal the pot there. a squeez move and also leaving him with 3K as well.
whats my move and why?
bytheway UTG folds

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mid stages of 13K tourny.
my stack 13K ,
villian stack 5.5K
blinds 200/400
UTG open raises to 800
UTG+1 (Hero) calls with 99.
every one folds to the villian on the BB who reraises to 2400 leaving him self about 3K left.
my read on the villian is that he is very good player and well caple of making this move with any two cards and try to dteal the pot there. a squeez move and also leaving him with 3K as well.
whats my move and why?

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couple of things you didnt state #1 did UTG fold? #2 are there antes involved?

Yes UTG folds and there are no antes.

[McMelchior]

What did UTG do?

Assuming he folded I'd probably flat call t1,600 into the t3,800 pot, making the pot t5,800. Small enough to get away from if the flop is in-opportune and he pushes.

20% of the time no card higher than your nines will flop. 13% of the time you'll flop a set.

Folding is too tight here. Pushing is a possibility, but I'd prefer the call.

Best,

McMelchior (Johan)

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Yes UTG folds and there are no antes.

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so you have to call 1600 into a pot of 4200. 2.6:1. Given your read it sounds like an easy call. you also state that this is a 13k tourny. is this a guaranteed 13k? or a 13k buyin? if it is small buyin, given your read on villain trying to make this move with any 2, then i may consider a push and hope for a race or better.

[Gert505]

From Villian's point of view, there has been a min raise and a call. No one has shown any great strength. I think that he can make a squeeze play with almost any hand but wouldn't he want to go allin instead? With a raise of 3 times the amount of the original raise, I think that he may be making this move with some sort of hand if he is a tight player. But I don't see him doing this with AA or KK. Maybe QQ - TT, AK, AQ, AJ. If he is a loose player, it could be just two high cards.

If I were you, I would gamble and put him to the test and go all in. If you lose, you still have an M above 10.

nah its 13K grtd.
based on my read would pushing be a bad idea here ?
under what situions would pushing better than calling?
i assume i would have to call his all in bet after the flop as long as the flop has maybe just one over card?
in that case is pushing not more +EV based on my FE?

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nah its 13K grtd.
based on my read would pushing be a bad idea here ?
under what situions would pushing better than calling?
i assume i would have to call his all in bet after the flop as long as the flop has maybe just one over card?
in that case is pushing not more +EV based on my FE?

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pushing is fine. you have him outstacked and I wouldnt count on any FE since he has already put in almost half his stack.

reluts:
i pushed and he called and he had AA and they held up.
thanks for the advice.

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pushing is fine.

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Really? I mean, I know our hero has a read, but villian just dumped half his stack into into a multi-way pot against a utg raiser. Is this really "any two" that often?

[bruce]

I would fold BTF.

Your call doesn't complete the action. You're not desperate
yet, and you have multiple players to act behind you with
a medium holding at best.

The worst case scenario, a raise behind you, which looks suspicious for Aces, then occurred.

Bruce

i dont think you have much FE here. if you push hes getting almost 3-1. so call, and play the hand in position. Id be hard pressed if i was him not to put the rest of it in on any flop, but maybe you caught him on a steal.

i know the call out of position with 99 is not really adviced,but i purely called for the set value fully indenting to any decent raise behind me and if the sition was any other than what happned i would have lay them down preflop.

given the read, you have to trust it, otherwise whats the point of having reads. you are, after all trying to accumulate chips. given OP's read on villain, he could have been raising with KQ or K6 for that matter.

without the read, I call and re-evaluate after the flop.

if villain is 'very good' he doesn't make this play with any two. I think your read is way off. In fact considering he didn't push I would think his range is very very tight, it looks very much like he wants action.

[illegit]

If he's a very good player as you say he is then he's not making this move with air hardly ever.

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given the read, you have to trust it, otherwise whats the point of having reads.

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Rockin,

I hear ya, but I would contend that hero's read is a little off and we should advise him accordingly. You cant evaluate a hand in a vacuum, but the circumstances of this hand must certainly be taken into consideration.

Hero's read might be that "villian is capable of stealing from the button", but is that whats happening in this hand, really?

If he did in fact make this move with "any two", he is not "smart" as the orignial poster describes. How do you reconcile that with the read?

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given the read, you have to trust it, otherwise whats the point of having reads.

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Rockin,

I hear ya, but I would contend that hero's read is a little off and we should advise him accordingly. You cant evaluate a hand in a vacumn, but the circumstances of this hand must certainly be taken into consideration.

Hero's read might be that "villian is capable of stealing from the button", but is that whats happening in this hand, really?

If he did in fact make this move with "any two", he is not "smart" as the orignial poster describes. How do you reconcile that with the read?

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agreed in part. first off, i say trust your read, he's the only one that has seen the sequence of events that have played out throughout the course of the tourny. in other words villain may have made a play at pot (i.e. very good poker player with good reads on UTG and UTG+1) based on villains own reads. obviously we are not given that information, that is why I state that you have to trust your reads.

If you call here with 99, he is likely to fire out on any flop. I don't like calling here because unless the flop comes rags or you hit a set, you'll be in a tough spot. You have him covered by a good ammount and would like to see all 5 cards. I push for sure.

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and would like to see all 5 cards.

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Hi SS99,

How do you figure? At best for hero, villian has overs in which case we dont really want to see all five cards. Villian has position, so hero can push any undercard flop and put villian to the "test" if he has overs, or any 2 for that matter.