redeyejack
07-29-2003, 05:39 AM
Hi all! I have a dilema regarding pot odds. Say you are on the button with J /images/graemlins/heart.gif10 /images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4 people limp in, you call (althought this would be a good spot to raise /images/graemlins/wink.gif), SB folds and the BB checks. So six in for 1 bet each.
Flop comes A /images/graemlins/spade.gifK /images/graemlins/diamond.gif6 /images/graemlins/club.gif
BB bets out, fold, call, call, call. Action on you with 10.5 small bets in the pot. Here's my problem. Without looking at raising for free cards or making any type of 'play', if I'm looking to simply out draw the BB and make my gut shot straight, do I look at it and think in terms of option 'A' or 'B':
A) I plan to call 1 small bet on the flop with intentions of folding on fourth street if I don't improve. I'm getting 10-1 to call, on about an 11-1 shot and figure I can make up the remaining small bet on further streets should I hit. I have to fold on the turn because then it will be about 7 big bets to me if there was say another bet and a call, giving me 7-1 on an 11-1 shot. And I don't figure to make up the futher 4 big bets on the river to make the draw profitable.
B) I'm about a 5-1 dog to hit my gut shot straight draw if I stay for two more cards. However, I would have to call a small bet now, and probably another big bet on the turn if I miss there. So if I'm playing $10-$20 hold'em, this would be $30. What can I win? Well, the 10.5 small bets in there already ($105), and, should I hit on the river for example, say another $40 on the turn, and if a player bet out and I raise him on the river, probably another $40. This is a total of $185. That $185 to my $30 is about 6-1. Good enough odds to call, both on the flop and the turn.
I know the above 'situation' is probably not very practical and wouldn't come up, but I think you can understand from it the problem I have. Implied Odds on two 10-1 shots or one 5-1 shot considering Effective Odds. Even though you sort of do both in both cases. Both of these seem correct to me yet one dictates a call and the other a fold. I hope someone out there can clear this up for me. Thanks to all who stayed and read. I know it was a bit long winded.
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Flop comes A /images/graemlins/spade.gifK /images/graemlins/diamond.gif6 /images/graemlins/club.gif
BB bets out, fold, call, call, call. Action on you with 10.5 small bets in the pot. Here's my problem. Without looking at raising for free cards or making any type of 'play', if I'm looking to simply out draw the BB and make my gut shot straight, do I look at it and think in terms of option 'A' or 'B':
A) I plan to call 1 small bet on the flop with intentions of folding on fourth street if I don't improve. I'm getting 10-1 to call, on about an 11-1 shot and figure I can make up the remaining small bet on further streets should I hit. I have to fold on the turn because then it will be about 7 big bets to me if there was say another bet and a call, giving me 7-1 on an 11-1 shot. And I don't figure to make up the futher 4 big bets on the river to make the draw profitable.
B) I'm about a 5-1 dog to hit my gut shot straight draw if I stay for two more cards. However, I would have to call a small bet now, and probably another big bet on the turn if I miss there. So if I'm playing $10-$20 hold'em, this would be $30. What can I win? Well, the 10.5 small bets in there already ($105), and, should I hit on the river for example, say another $40 on the turn, and if a player bet out and I raise him on the river, probably another $40. This is a total of $185. That $185 to my $30 is about 6-1. Good enough odds to call, both on the flop and the turn.
I know the above 'situation' is probably not very practical and wouldn't come up, but I think you can understand from it the problem I have. Implied Odds on two 10-1 shots or one 5-1 shot considering Effective Odds. Even though you sort of do both in both cases. Both of these seem correct to me yet one dictates a call and the other a fold. I hope someone out there can clear this up for me. Thanks to all who stayed and read. I know it was a bit long winded.
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