In which I fold a straight (no flush or boat possible)

[TheMetetron]

MP is 41.7 / 2.7 / 1.17

Button is 23.4 / 15.6 / 2.30

No further reads.

Standard?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, MP calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, MP calls.

River: (15.50 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero folds...

[Lmn55d]

I dont think I like the flop bet

[TheMetetron]

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I dont think I like the flop bet

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I mix up that flop a lot.

I just happened to bet this time, although I agree it's probably not the most optimal in a large field.

[Lmn55d]

yea I just think you can extract the most EV by checking and reevaluating. I find that betting will thin the field too often when you get raised by a guy to your left who has a pair or a jack. Also guys are more willing to call a bet if they are closing the action (and getting better odds), so if a guy to your right bets you can call and get some more guys on your left to call than if you had bet yourself.

[TheMetetron]

I agree.

Pretend for me? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Lmn55d]

well you're getting 18.5:2 or about 9.5:1 if mp calls and doesn't reraise. We gotta figure button definitely has a jack and mp usually does so if they both have jacks you have to be splitting about once in 4, right? If button is decent he would call to get your overcall rather than raise, so it looks like he has JK. Does he have JK more than 3 out of 4 times? Probably, but I dunno. Your play seems reasonable.

EDIT: Doesn't JK raise pretty often preflop though? Maybe not a 15 PFR...i dunno

[7ontheline]

KJ may not raise every time with two limpers already in, I would imagine.

[TStoneMBD]

button has 2.3af so even if he just had a naked jack hed probably raise it since hes a little overaggro. hes probably not the type to go for overcalls. however, button raised the flop and there should be no way hes doing this with a naked jack. his hand range is KJ, QJ, TJ by likeliness. i dont think KJo raises preflop since hes not that aggressive pf and KJs may limp as well (but probably not).

youre definitely chopping this pot 3 ways on the river. if you chop your equity is 5BB whereas if you call and lose its 2BB. so one of the 2 players would have to have KJ less than 3/5 times, which sounds right to me. id call.

[wackjob]

I'm too stubborn and unbelieving to ever fold here.

[TheMetetron]

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button has 2.3af so even if he just had a naked jack hed probably raise it since hes a little overaggro. hes probably not the type to go for overcalls. however, button raised the flop and there should be no way hes doing this with a naked jack. his hand range is KJ, QJ, TJ by likeliness. i dont think KJo raises preflop since hes not that aggressive pf and KJs may limp as well (but probably not).

youre definitely chopping this pot 3 ways on the river. if you chop your equity is 5BB whereas if you call and lose its 2BB. so one of the 2 players would have to have KJ less than 3/5 times, which sounds right to me. id call.

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Take into account the likelyhood of a 3-bet/cap and it changes things.

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button has 2.3af so even if he just had a naked jack hed probably raise it since hes a little overaggro. hes probably not the type to go for overcalls. however, button raised the flop and there should be no way hes doing this with a naked jack. his hand range is KJ, QJ, TJ by likeliness. i dont think KJo raises preflop since hes not that aggressive pf and KJs may limp as well (but probably not).

youre definitely chopping this pot 3 ways on the river. if you chop your equity is 5BB whereas if you call and lose its 2BB. so one of the 2 players would have to have KJ less than 3/5 times, which sounds right to me. id call.

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Take into account the likelyhood of a 3-bet/cap and it changes things.

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Probably way more credit than the villian deserves, but it'd be quite the coup if the villian forced out a jack that was going to split with him...

[ggbman]

I would call here.

[TStoneMBD]

i took into consideration a 3bet/cap and here are my thoughts:

MP doesnt have a KJ. he didnt cap the turn. i dont believe it. if hes foolish enough to 3bet a naked jack on the turn and the button caps you can fold. button isnt going to cap a naked jack here.

[TheMetetron]

Good point. He didn't cap the turn.


Unfortunately, he did have KJ. They both did. And it got capped.

Still not sure if I like the fold or not though, but at least I felt good after it. I probably wouldn't posted it regardless though.