My girlfriend was drugged

She was out with some girlfriends at a country bar in a small town. They went to listen to this band that was going to be there that night. She had been there 1 other time before with the same friends but I have never been. She and I go out all the time so Im well aware of how much she can drink. I was unable to go with her on this night.

Someone put GHB(?) in her drink. I had to take her to the hospital due to her condition and they ran a test that night and found it in her system. Both of her friends had also been drugged.

They are all OK and nothing happened to any of them luckily. I was able to deduct that something was wrong with her when I talked to her on the phone and drove over to the bar to make sure she was OK. I got them all out of there. There were plenty of shady people at the bar and they dont remember anyone in particular who could have done it.

It could have been a lot worse. Someone was looking to take advantage of at least one of these girls.

I would reccomend to you guys here at OOT to be careful when your girl goes out, there are 2 many crazies out here.

MDoranD

[Matty]

All three drinks? Notify the cops if you haven't already. Could even be the bartender. Chances are it has happened more than once in that bar to many people- the bartender has to have noticed something fishy.

And if you find out who it was, be sure to post his full name and other info on these boards. =]

[diebitter]

It's a [censored] up world. I have a horrible feeling this happens in like 20% of bars every night...


I know one girl who this happened to, but luckily she was out with her brother - she was hospitalised for a coupla days I think.

I also remember mslif saying something like this happened to her too, a whiles back.

Jeez, it's a lesson to NEVER leave your drinks unattended, I guess.

IMHO, drugs that can incapacitate others where rape or molestation is a potential motive should be treated way more seriously and harshly than drugs that are recreational.

You should have either called the cops, or came back with some friends and started asking some questions, preferably with an aluminum. Guys who pull this [censored], probably get off to easy, hence they keep doing it. I would have caused a huge scene.

Not sure if it was all 3 drinks. We notified the police and they are working on it or so they say. I would imagine it was all 3 drinks since I doubt they were all sharing but it is possible that it was just 1.

The environment of the bar allowed for lots of people to be sitting at your table with you. They have several really large tables that many groups sit at at the same time.

The bartender is a definite possibility. But I hate to assume its him without more info. Id like to get my hands around the guys neck that did it.

I'm sure its happened to me (a dude) as revenge for one of my friends stealing a bottle of whiskey from behind the bar when he thought no one was looking.

It was probobly the bartender in my case and in yours.

[jba]

nice work going down there dude. good man.

[cassette]

That's [censored]. Good to hear you were able to help out before things got a lot worse.

[HopeydaFish]

Inform the police. They probably won't bother investigating it, but at least you would have done your part.

It's most certainly the bartender. I've heard many stories of bartenders who are paid off by men to slip date rape drugs in drinks. Women have gotten vigilant about watching their drinks once they have them, but they seldom think to watch the bartender as he's preparing the drink in the first place.

[tonypaladino]

I may have had a drink that was drugged once, but I don't know with what. I was out with a bunch of people and went out to smoke with a female friend. When we got back she said her drink tastled a little funny and she thought someone did somehting to it. I told her that was ridiculous and she told me to drink it, so I did. Afterwards I was passed out on the floor of the bar.

[soko]

I can imagine 3 chicks together, 1 drink is laced

Girl1: Hey doesn't this martini taste funny?
Girl2: Let me taste it... yeah it does taste kinda funny
Girl3: Really? Let me taste it...You're right, it does taste weird. Order another one.

[Rotating Rabbit]

my sister claims she has actually seen some random drop a tablet into her friends drink at a bar

[HopeydaFish]

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my sister claims she has actually seen some random drop a tablet into her friends drink at a bar

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Isn't GHB squirted into a drink as a liquid?

[HopeydaFish]

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I may have had a drink that was drugged once, but I don't know with what. I was out with a bunch of people and went out to smoke with a female friend. When we got back she said her drink tastled a little funny and she thought someone did somehting to it. I told her that was ridiculous and she told me to drink it, so I did. Afterwards I was passed out on the floor of the bar.

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Did you get raped?

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Isn't GHB squirted into a drink as a liquid?

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Yup. GHB is liquid. The tablet could have been a roofie - hell, what'sthe accepted spelling? Roofy? Rohypnol, damnit...

[FatalError]

ghb has no taste thats the problem...

this is one thread that just should'nt go in that direction

[HopeydaFish]

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I can imagine 3 chicks together, 1 drink is laced

Girl1: Hey doesn't this martini taste funny?
Girl2: Let me taste it... yeah it does taste kinda funny
Girl3: Really? Let me taste it...You're right, it does taste weird. Order another one.

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An hour later:

Girl 1: I'm feeling a little dizzy. Do you think that guy that keeps hovering around us will give me a drive home?

[tonypaladino]

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I may have had a drink that was drugged once, but I don't know with what. I was out with a bunch of people and went out to smoke with a female friend. When we got back she said her drink tastled a little funny and she thought someone did somehting to it. I told her that was ridiculous and she told me to drink it, so I did. Afterwards I was passed out on the floor of the bar.

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Did you get raped?

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I'll assume my ass hurt from falling on the floor.

If you think the police investigation isn't going to go anywhere, call your local TV/newspaper reporters. You might be able to get them to do a story about this bar and keep this from happening to others.

[Alobar]

glad nothing happened.

Most girls need some serious education on protecting their drinks. Maybe im just overly anal about it cuz ive had my drink laced before, but from my experience, girls are REALLY bad about leaving their drink unattended or taking drinks from random guys who come over to hit on them (if I buy a girl a drink, I make sure and have the waitress bring it over, or the girl is at the bar with me when the bartender makes it). Im sure after this they will all be much more careful in the future, but still wouldnt hurt to point out their sloppy habits

[RacersEdge]

You should think about going to a local TV channel or newspaper with the story, especially since you have hard evidence. The negative publicity should be enough to shut down the bar and scare other bars to crack down on the riffraff that work/go there.

[highlife]

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You should have either called the cops, or came back with some friends and started asking some questions, preferably with an aluminum. Guys who pull this [censored], probably get off to easy, hence they keep doing it. I would have caused a huge scene.

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not a good idea at a backwoods country bar, im guessing a few of the regular patrons can handle " an aluminum".

just call the cops, they won't do much, but maybe it can establish a pattern of this sort of thing and eventually get the pervert at the bar busted.

[MyTurn2Raise]

OK...having been someone who's served time for possessing GHB

tests will always show it...it is a naturally occuring substance within the human body

this is not proof of the use of the substance

GHB is a salt...it's often used in liquid form as it is diluted with water. The salt is so potent that it's tough to get the dosage correct

99%+ of GHB use is recreational/self-benefits

There have been less than 5 nationwide cases in the USA for the use of GHB for rape/melestation/etc

cops/doctors use it as a cop-out---since the test will come out positive

GHB hits a person like alot of alcohol--it fills the GABA receptors in the brain in a similar way. However, most people notice more awareness on it than a similar amount of alcohol with the same amount of loss of inhibitions. A slowed breathing rate, heart rate, and passing out are quite common from over dosage. I saw one other effect once that was quite strange, my roommate repeated the same 10 actions over and over again for about an hour. It was like his brain was a record skipping.

GHB hysteria has been created by the alcohol/beverage companies early in the drugs cycle. They didn't want to compete against something that gives the good feelings of alcohol, but doesn't give hangovers, helps with sleep, helps with muscle recovery, etc. The drug war afficionados picked up the argument of course and now the world is polluted with more propoganda than truth.

Good job to get the girls out right away

If you can't get any reporters interested, is the bar near a college? If so, go to the school and find the ultra-left feminist club. Tell them what happened, call the place a potential rape factory, and set up a sit-in.

Rent some limos, bring as many chicks to the bar as you can on a Saturday night and start a non-violent protest. Have all the girls enter the bar, tell them not to buy any drinks and don't leave until the cops show up.

Now you've created a news story and will get coverage.

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If you think the police investigation isn't going to go anywhere, call your local TV/newspaper reporters. You might be able to get them to do a story about this bar and keep this from happening to others.

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I like this idea.

[highlife]

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I saw one other effect once that was quite strange, my roommate repeated the same 10 actions over and over again for about an hour. It was like his brain was a record skipping.


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cool, thanks for the good info. just curious...what 10 actions did he repeat?

[CORed]

Guys who drug women and rape them should be drugged and left in the prison yard on the first day of their sentence.

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OK...having been someone who's served time for possessing GHB

tests will always show it...it is a naturally occuring substance within the human body

this is not proof of the use of the substance

GHB is a salt...it's often used in liquid form as it is diluted with water. The salt is so potent that it's tough to get the dosage correct

99%+ of GHB use is recreational/self-benefits

There have been less than 5 nationwide cases in the USA for the use of GHB for rape/melestation/etc

cops/doctors use it as a cop-out---since the test will come out positive

GHB hits a person like alot of alcohol--it fills the GABA receptors in the brain in a similar way. However, most people notice more awareness on it than a similar amount of alcohol with the same amount of loss of inhibitions. A slowed breathing rate, heart rate, and passing out are quite common from over dosage. I saw one other effect once that was quite strange, my roommate repeated the same 10 actions over and over again for about an hour. It was like his brain was a record skipping.

GHB hysteria has been created by the alcohol/beverage companies early in the drugs cycle. They didn't want to compete against something that gives the good feelings of alcohol, but doesn't give hangovers, helps with sleep, helps with muscle recovery, etc. The drug war afficionados picked up the argument of course and now the world is polluted with more propoganda than truth.

Good job to get the girls out right away

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TY if that was a compliment. Im not so sure it was based on your info you stated earlier. I would like your opinion on why the hospital would be quick to tell us she had been drugged? If it's a natural chemical, could the presence of too much of it in someone indicate someone having been drugged? Do you doubt that the majority of people are drugging people with this with the intent to rape?

MDoranD

[MyTurn2Raise]

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I saw one other effect once that was quite strange, my roommate repeated the same 10 actions over and over again for about an hour. It was like his brain was a record skipping.


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cool, thanks for the good info. just curious...what 10 actions did he repeat?

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1) sit in living room chair
2) rock back and forth 7 times
3) Get up and go to kitchen and grab a plate
4) place plate in microwave and turn it on for 30 seconds
5) walk out front door and walk around apartment courtyard
6) come back in apartment and take plate out of microwave
7) sit in living room chair

repeat over and over and over and over and over
He did this for well over an hour. My non drug-using roommate was about to call for an ambulance. I had to set him in his place (there were large volumes of various substances in my apartment that did not need for us to get noticed). It was the most unusual drug response I had seen, but pretty harmless compared to most.

[TJSWAN]

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Not sure if it was all 3 drinks. We notified the police and they are working on it or so they say. I would imagine it was all 3 drinks since I doubt they were all sharing but it is possible that it was just 1.

The environment of the bar allowed for lots of people to be sitting at your table with you. They have several really large tables that many groups sit at at the same time.

The bartender is a definite possibility. But I hate to assume its him without more info. Id like to get my hands around the guys neck that did it.

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Why am I getting a vision of Bob's Country Bunker? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif


BTW glad you got your GF out of a bad situation, good heads up!!!!


Tim

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ghb has no taste thats the problem...

this is one thread that just should'nt go in that direction

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holy [censored], clearly you have never tried GHB. It is the most foul tasting thing on the face of the earth. A quarter cap of the stuff will make an entire glass of your favorite beverage all but undrinkable.

[asofel]

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Guys who drug women and rape them should be drugged and left in the prison yard on the first day of their sentence.

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i agree

[highlife]

did anyone try to talk to him? did he respond?

[gonores]

That sucks, but in the nature of OOT, I'll 1-up you. I am practically certain I ingested GHB no more than a week or two ago.

These two girls from the midwest come out to Vegas. My buddy is seeing one of them, and asks me to look after them (make sure they have fun, but not too much fun). Since

- I rarely get to travel in packs where the number of hot girls in my group outnumber the guys
- They were looking for a way to show their gratitude to me for being such a good tour guide (because showing hot girls around Vegas such a chore), and
- I wasn't really allowed to touch them

I decided to use the girls as currency to bounce right in to Tao at the Venetian. Life is good, I buy the girls drinks, and next thing you know, this guy asks the girls if they would like to go upstairs to the VIP room. The girls are naive and are afraid of things in Vegas labeled "VIP" and are apprehensive to accept. I tell them the VIP room is a good place. The guy tells them Jamie Pressley (sp?) is having her birthday party up there. He looks at me and tells me there is an open bar. This sounded like a good idea.

We stumble upstairs (well, I stumbled...I was drunk). I go to the bar and order a round for us. I take the drinks back to the girls and start talking to them, since I am a good host. Much to our chagrin, we don't see Jaime Pressley or anyone else we recognize. Oh well, drinks are free. I pound my drink because I know protocol for an open bar. Melissa finishes her cosmo right behind me and tells Tara she needs to go to the bathroom. Tara is in the middle of some conversation with me, but follows her as soon as I shut my liquor hole. I polish off her half-finished Long Island and go to the bar to reload for all three of us. After that, I don't remember much, but Melissa said Tara and I incredibly out of character for the rest of the night. Moments later, I was allegedly sitting outside Tao completely ignoring some cute and concerned girl who was inquiring about my current health. Melissa then found me and took the three of us looking for a cab stand. At some point in the night, I apparently was on the strip trying to hail a cab from the middle lane of traffic, insisting my way was faster than going to the cab stand. In the cab home, I offered my dissertation on the structural engineering marvel that is the Venetian (I don't know a thing about structural engineering).

Anywho, I woke up on the hotel room floor. Thank God the girls didn't take advantage of me in my altered state...how terrible would that have been? After hearing a semi-sober recount of the previous evening, the girls went home the next day and Tara took a test and tested positive for GHB. Even though I laughed it off with the girls and have no problem telling people I was date-raped, I was pretty pissed at myself for letting that happen. Suffice to say, my eye is going to be a little more wary from this point on.

[highlife]

nice story, but how is this any different than how people act when they are completely ripped?

[asofel]

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nice story, but how is this any different than how people act when they are completely ripped?

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i believe the completely ignoring some cute and concerned girl who was inquiring about my current health part would be a little different if he was just ripped...

[wonderwes]

That is a crazy story. I think I speak for all of OOT, I hope you find the bastards that did this. The press will be a huge resource to use. They probably do better investiagtion than the police. Use the newspaper first, then any TV. The newspaper will post the story, then every single news agency in your area will try to contact you so they can get an interview (Local news loves raitings). Because if this happened to you and your friends, odds are the same people have tried or plan to in the future, pull this off again.

GHB will mess you up even with no alcohol. Hope you can get some resolution to this. Good luck man.

[gonores]

I'm a very distinctive character when I am drunk...I'm sure people will vouch for me on this. I don't ignore girls, I'm a capable enough drunk to not stand in traffic, and if I'm going to lie while drunk, I'll find a better topic than the Venetian. I didn't flirt in any way, shape or form with either of my guests. And most importantly, I usually have a good memory of my night when I wake up. I totally blacked out that night.

[MyTurn2Raise]

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OK...having been someone who's served time for possessing GHB

tests will always show it...it is a naturally occuring substance within the human body

this is not proof of the use of the substance

GHB is a salt...it's often used in liquid form as it is diluted with water. The salt is so potent that it's tough to get the dosage correct

99%+ of GHB use is recreational/self-benefits

There have been less than 5 nationwide cases in the USA for the use of GHB for rape/melestation/etc

cops/doctors use it as a cop-out---since the test will come out positive

GHB hits a person like alot of alcohol--it fills the GABA receptors in the brain in a similar way. However, most people notice more awareness on it than a similar amount of alcohol with the same amount of loss of inhibitions. A slowed breathing rate, heart rate, and passing out are quite common from over dosage. I saw one other effect once that was quite strange, my roommate repeated the same 10 actions over and over again for about an hour. It was like his brain was a record skipping.

GHB hysteria has been created by the alcohol/beverage companies early in the drugs cycle. They didn't want to compete against something that gives the good feelings of alcohol, but doesn't give hangovers, helps with sleep, helps with muscle recovery, etc. The drug war afficionados picked up the argument of course and now the world is polluted with more propoganda than truth.

Good job to get the girls out right away

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TY if that was a compliment. Im not so sure it was based on your info you stated earlier. I would like your opinion on why the hospital would be quick to tell us she had been drugged? If it's a natural chemical, could the presence of too much of it in someone indicate someone having been drugged? Do you doubt that the majority of people are drugging people with this with the intent to rape?

MDoranD

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definitely a compliment

anytime things seem to be strange, it's much better to be safer than sorry. It's also quite clear that the ladies were suffering from something.

Yes, it can be possible to determine if the amount of GHB in the system is too high, but it takes a long time for the results of such a test....12 hours +. (This was as of a few years ago, maybe things have changed.) What's worse is that there is only about a 4 hour window from consumption to catch the increased levels of GHB in a human. (Thus, the small number of convictions.)

As for the hospital, once a doctor/nurse gets hit by the GHB propoganda, they look for it all the time. Miraculously, they always find it...duh.

I've had a few experiences where 3-4 drinks of normal alcohol have completely knocked me and some of my friends out. I asked a good friend about this and he said it was more likely due to something we ate before/during drinking and/or the residue of cleaning material in the glasses. take that FWIW. I'm sure no one was looking to drug a few dudes in a public bar despite my sweet ass.


I would say the great, great, great majority of GHB users have no intention whatsoever of rape, etc. I used to deal it. I've used it hundreds of times. I've known hundreds of users and none were using it for date rape. It's an amazing substance with proper usage.

However, there has been a bad apple or two that the national media picked up on. The colorless, odorless, slightly salty liquid mix makes it potentially a dangerous weapon as well as the fact it's out of the body so quickly. The potential for harm is there. That is the big issue.

Trust me, I do not recommend consuming GHB anymore. When I got caught possessing about 50 doses, the state hammered me. I had no record whatsoever before and still had to get a lucky plea deal for a 3 year sentence in the lovely Illinois Department of Corrections. fun times.

It just appears as though the facts of this drug are clouded by the hysteria. It might very well have come up with your girlfriend. I just wouldn't trust the doctors word so easily. The successful convictions for GHB doping have not been in large public bars with groups of girls. They've been single girls isolate at bars or small parties. Dosing a whole group is quite difficult and would seem to contradict the intent of such a doping. A mass doping would make it tougher for a perverted low-life [censored] to rape a girl.



BTW- I'm
drug free since '99 and kind of pissed about it

[CORed]

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Thank God the girls didn't take advantage of me in my altered state...how terrible would that have been?

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My guess is they tried, but couldn't get you up because of your drugged state.

[asofel]

wes,

I met gonores once when at the wynn months ago. TT, NLSoldier, Bugstud and others were in attendance. Lets just the say the "very distinctive character" line is him being modest. I seem to remember a rather loud "this is definitely not a triple vodka redbull!!"....he then hands her a pile of $1 chips (had to be at least $20-$30) and goes back to playing 4-8 crazy pineapple with his wynn card permanently plastered to his forehead /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[masse75]

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You should think about going to a local TV channel or newspaper with the story, especially since you have hard evidence. The negative publicity should be enough to shut down the bar and scare other bars to crack down on the riffraff that work/go there.

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I'd start by approaching the owner of the bar with a copy of the hospital report.

"Um, you have a problem you need to help us fix. Or we can get a reporter to help us fix it."

Think a bar owner wouldn't go Joe Pesci on this guy to avoid negative publicity and a ruined business?

[Blarg]

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Guys who drug women and rape them should be drugged and left in the prison yard on the first day of their sentence.

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i agree

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The videotapes should be sent to Fox News and all their family members.

[asofel]

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Guys who drug women and rape them should be drugged and left in the prison yard on the first day of their sentence.

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i agree

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The videotapes should be sent to Fox News and all their family members.

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blarg,

are you going to do a "10,000th post"? if so i'm getting the popcorn ready and freeing up that night...

[Blarg]

He might go Joe Pesci on you, too.

[KaneKungFu123]

nm

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You should think about going to a local TV channel or newspaper with the story, especially since you have hard evidence. The negative publicity should be enough to shut down the bar and scare other bars to crack down on the riffraff that work/go there.

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I'd start by approaching the owner of the bar with a copy of the hospital report.

"Um, you have a problem you need to help us fix. Or we can get a reporter to help us fix it."

Think a bar owner wouldn't go Joe Pesci on this guy to avoid negative publicity and a ruined business?

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I think that htis is easily the best answer in this thread.

[daryn]

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Guys who drug women and rape them should be drugged and left in the prison yard on the first day of their sentence.

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i agree

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The videotapes should be sent to Fox News and all their family members.

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blarg,

are you going to do a "10,000th post"? if so i'm getting the popcorn ready and freeing up that night...

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blarg is too good a poster to do that

[Alobar]

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You should think about going to a local TV channel or newspaper with the story, especially since you have hard evidence. The negative publicity should be enough to shut down the bar and scare other bars to crack down on the riffraff that work/go there.

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I'd start by approaching the owner of the bar with a copy of the hospital report.

"Um, you have a problem you need to help us fix. Or we can get a reporter to help us fix it."

Think a bar owner wouldn't go Joe Pesci on this guy to avoid negative publicity and a ruined business?

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I think that htis is easily the best answer in this thread.

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why would the bar owner care? Its not like hes responsible for it. Also no news channell is going to give a rats ass unless you can prove its happened there more than once.

Also, the vast majority of podunk small towns, dont have their own local news station, they just pick up the broadcasts of the bigger near by city...that bigger city couldnt give two [censored] about some podunk small town "a girl gets roofied at a bar" story...if the town is lucky, the weatherman at the big station spends 4 seconds telling them what their weather is going to be like on tuesday

your best bet would be the local newspaper, but again, it wont matter cuz its prolly the only bar there, and its not going to keep people away, all its going to do is bring unwanted attention to OPs girlfriend.

A life lesson was learned, chalk one up to experience, and move on

[asofel]

shhhhhhh! _I_ know that but he might temporarily forget and you KNOW it'd be good /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[lapoker17]

that stuff is nuts.

when i was 21 i was living in chicago. it was a wild time of my life. anyway, there was this mini-cartel of young drug dealers and i somehow wound up being friends with one of them. one night, i see him out at crobar (this was 10 years ago when it was actually cool) and i shake his hand and he puts this vial of clear liquid in my hand. i knew it was ghb, but had never done it before. so i went into the bathroom and opened up the vial and slugged it down. i walked about 50 feet before everything got really really slow.

i saw him at the bar, and i said "that tasted like sht". he said, "dude, you're supposed to mix it in a drink, how much did you take". "all of it" i replied incredulously. "you're supposed to put a few drops in a drink, are you ok".

at this point i decide i need to get home, so i walk out of the club. i lived at division and astor for anyone who knows chicago. i guess i started walking home. at 7am i came to, walking around in lincoln park with no shirt on. i had been wearing a suit the night before. the city was heading off to work, the bus stops were crowded, the streets as well. and im walking around miles from home, without a shirt.

i did it one other time, with proper dosing, and i had a blast.

[raisins]

Good to read your posts. I've never tried GHB nor do I know anyone who has. A few years ago, I read a book on it that made a convincing case for GHB being a victim of media and DEA hysteria. Certainly using the term "date rape" attracts attention and raises an audience's emotional involvement. I remember the book strongly stated that the health risks from GHB were exaggerated and that no one had ever died or suffered any severe health issue from an OD. The authors claimed that in the reports of death from GHB abuse there were other factors that were responsible. At one time, perhaps still, GHB was used medicinally in part of Europe. I want to say Germany, which has some of the strictest laws in the world regarding dietary supplements, but I am not sure. I don't remember which condition, perhaps a sleep disorder. Why do you dissuade personal use now? Is it solely due to the legal climate now or are there issues with GHB itself that you have since become aware of?

regards,

raisins

[1800GAMBLER]

I was curious to read up about this, drug reading never really interests me but this did. this article (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_faq.shtml) has everything you are referring to above.

This seems like a great drug to experience with a partner if controlled well.

To the OP: Great job getting the gf out.

[ethan]

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This seems like a great drug to experience with a partner if controlled well.


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Yup. Be a little careful with the dosages, especially to start, but it's fun with someone else. Also, *small* amounts of alcohol can be fine (and enjoyable) with it, but I'd stay away from the pairing until you're familiar with the effects of ghb on its own.

[FatalError]

post of the year

[whiskeytown]

cock-blocker.

j/k - seriously, good job....lucky that time.

RB

[siccjay]

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that stuff is nuts.

when i was 21 i was living in chicago. it was a wild time of my life. anyway, there was this mini-cartel of young drug dealers and i somehow wound up being friends with one of them. one night, i see him out at crobar (this was 10 years ago when it was actually cool) and i shake his hand and he puts this vial of clear liquid in my hand. i knew it was ghb, but had never done it before. so i went into the bathroom and opened up the vial and slugged it down. i walked about 50 feet before everything got really really slow.

i saw him at the bar, and i said "that tasted like sht". he said, "dude, you're supposed to mix it in a drink, how much did you take". "all of it" i replied incredulously. "you're supposed to put a few drops in a drink, are you ok".

at this point i decide i need to get home, so i walk out of the club. i lived at division and astor for anyone who knows chicago. i guess i started walking home. at 7am i came to, walking around in lincoln park with no shirt on. i had been wearing a suit the night before. the city was heading off to work, the bus stops were crowded, the streets as well. and im walking around miles from home, without a shirt.

i did it one other time, with proper dosing, and i had a blast.

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God thats so awesome. How much would you pay to get those memories back? hahahahah

[kurosh]

if this happened to my ex... people would seriously die. i would come back with my friends and people would die. i would find out who it was and i would kill them. you do NOT [censored] with me or people i love. i will kill you. you do not [censored] with me. people don't understand that. they will understand when they are dead.

[shant]

There was a guy who used to live above us in San Francisco. We used to call him "OnG" but pronounced sorta French, like "Eungee" because he was always on GHB. He used to come to our apartment parties with a little tea-cup full of the stuff and just sip it. He passed out mid conversation a lot. One time he just fell straight backward and broke his little tea-cup and woke back up and continued the conversation like nothing happened.

We went up to his apartment once to check it out. He had all kinds of burns and scars up and down his arms from passing out in his apartment on the stove or falling into stuff.

We asked him to show us where he bought the stuff off the internet and he went to log into hotmail to get the link and he typed "peeettreeeee;;;;;;dsdsfgfds" into the login box because he passed out on the keyboard.

We were like, alright dude nevermind we're gonna cruise and he got up to let us out and passed out into his metal coffee table. He busted his head open and started foaming at the mouth. We were calling 911 and my friend was starting to turn him over and he came to. He told us to never touch him when he passes out because he could die and don't call 911 because they'd find his G.

He was a weird dude. I bet he's dead now.

[kurosh]

shant.... are you a enrro?

[shant]

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shant.... are you a enrro?

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I don't know what that means.

[kurosh]

negro, im ean negro. sorry. yoru avatar is always black. are you blasck? negro is not ofesnive.

[Vavavoom]

When I worked as a holiday rep, this was a common occurence...

I think spiking a girls drink is possibly one of the sickest things an individual can do...

I have carried girls out of bars into hospitals on numerous occasions, and on other occasions found out in the morning that a girl had been spiked and her friends had to carry her home etc..

I think its a very scary world out there, and I do think that women now have to go to ridiculous lengths to be safe also.

Like another poster said, for all 3 girls to be spiked from the same group does seem a little bit suspect...It definitely wouldn't be a bad idea to inform the police of someone potentially working an area....

[shant]

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negro, im ean negro. sorry. yoru avatar is always black. are you blasck? negro is not ofesnive.

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Haha, nah I just happened to have black avatars. We've discussed this in IRC. I'm Armenian.

[kurosh]

please... i need htis song. th elrycsi go like "i took a look around my life and without you i ain't got nothing" or something close to that. the only thing i remember exactly is ain't. it is a guitar type song. please help kurosh. he will be eternally gratefuul

[shant]

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please... i need htis song. th elrycsi go like "i took a look around my life and without you i ain't got nothing" or something close to that. the only thing i remember exactly is ain't. it is a guitar type song. please help kurosh. he will be eternally gratefuul

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Is this it? (http://www.lyricstop.com/i/ifiaintgotyouremix-aliciakeysfkanyewest.html)

[kurosh]

i don't think it is.. . ilove you shant ou and klepton i love you both but tit's not it. it was guitar like. it is recent sogn since it was on radio

[kurosh]

ok... i ahve just downloaded it is not it. i wiil lgive gay sex to anyuone who finds it. please. gay sex or answer a question. any question. or eternal love. take your pick./

i work as a sexual assault examiner-doing medical exams(rape kits and photography) and testifying in court when necessary-

i have seen a lot of women(although i am sure men have been targeted) that have been through this-unfortunately by the time they relize it the drug has metaboloized out of the body--making it very difficult to prove in court.

that being said it is not only the bars you need to worry about-had a pt. who went into a gas station to pay and the last thing she remembered was taking a drink from her coke and woke up the next morning in a neighborhood she did not know and had been assaulted.

never leave your drinks alone-never accept a drink from another person unless a trusted friend...you can never be too paranoid.

[MyTurn2Raise]

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Why do you dissuade personal use now? Is it solely due to the legal climate now or are there issues with GHB itself that you have since become aware of?


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legal environment

There is no way to have a rational discussion about the drug and what people are really using it for since overzealous drug officials attached the date rape moniker.

One of the girls my GF was with on this night now remembers the bartender leaning over the bar to my GF and the other girl and telling my GF "I love you" in a flirtatious way. I know this isnt much and could mean anything, however, I am assured that it came unprovoked from my GF. I believe that it was unprovoked based on the relationship that we have.

Now assuming that it was unprovoked, meaning that my GF wasnt flirting with him, and the fact that the bartender had to have known they were highly intoxicated based on how they were acting, does this make anyone think that he could have been in on this?

I know its not much, but im ready to snap on somebody and this guy will do if need be. Also take into consideration that the bar was packed, and the girls were not at the bar except for one of them ordering a drink (in which case 2 of them at least would go.). The bartender was the only one on duty and would have to go out of his way to take time to talk to anybody at the bar with the crowd they had.

Anyone take this bit of info and do anything with it? Or just forget it?

MDoranD

[samjjones]

Personally, I'd consider going to the police with this and seeing if they can set up a sting. If so, please post the TR.

I will definetely post the TR with whatever happens...

[Blarg]

Good luck. Scumbags like this should be locked up for a very very long time.

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One of the girls my GF was with on this night now remembers the bartender leaning over the bar to my GF and the other girl and telling my GF "I love you" in a flirtatious way. I know this isnt much and could mean anything, however, I am assured that it came unprovoked from my GF. I believe that it was unprovoked based on the relationship that we have.

Now assuming that it was unprovoked, meaning that my GF wasnt flirting with him, and the fact that the bartender had to have known they were highly intoxicated based on how they were acting, does this make anyone think that he could have been in on this?

I know its not much, but im ready to snap on somebody and this guy will do if need be. Also take into consideration that the bar was packed, and the girls were not at the bar except for one of them ordering a drink (in which case 2 of them at least would go.). The bartender was the only one on duty and would have to go out of his way to take time to talk to anybody at the bar with the crowd they had.

Anyone take this bit of info and do anything with it? Or just forget it?

MDoranD

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Imo, yes, this is enough for me to go "talk" to the bartender. Anyone in his position, that is socially inept enough to tell random girls that he lvoes them, is probably some kind of creep ass mother [censored].

[MyTurn2Raise]

cops...sting

if this bartender is effing around, he's ruining it for drug users who are not scumbags....nail'em