Question for you SNG power tools users....

Hey all, first post in this forum. Have been reading a lot of the posts on here and been trying to learn. I have played some sngs before and recently began three tabling low buyins. One thing I love to hear about them is that they are formulaic.

Anyway, to the question. Does sng powertools require an extremely mathmatical mind. I am not horrible at math, but by no means as saavy as the formulas I hear quoted here and on the probability forum. I would like to get the sngPT, but reading the forum at the site, it sounds like a lot of difficult math to be doing on the spot (multitabline?? /images/graemlins/confused.gif)

Also, one thing that the website at sngpt said was that knowing the range your opponet would call with in bubble play goes into the formula. But even 3 tabling, I dont think I could give a great estimation of that on many of my opponets. I just dont have time to pay that close of attention. Am I missing something here, or can you use PT without having great reads on every opponet?

I appreciate any advice. Thanks for all the great info so far guys.

All the questions you have are exactly the reason you should buy SNGPT. If people could do the math in their heads while multitabling, they wouldn't need to buy SNGPT. What it does do is give you a very specific answer as to the value of a particular push/fold situation. Then it makes it easy for you to adjust the variables and see how it changes the answer. Not sure what the calling range is for BB, when you are thinking about pushing from SB? Fine, try all 4 presets, from tight to maniac. See how much difference it makes.

You'll be surprised by a lot of the answers at first, but the more you play with it the easier it is to make the right calls based on "feel" when you are actually playing.

If you play more than 50 $11s a month, I think it's a no-brainer to buy.

The thing with calling ranges is that if you always watch what people call all-in with at your tables, and then play thousands of SnG's, you begin to see a pattern.

[QuickLearner]

It's a great learning tool and you should buy it. From much of the content of your message I get the feeling that you are worried about not being able to use it while in the middle of a S&G. You won't; it's meant as an offline learning tool.

[jmillerdls]

I think this tool is the single most important tool to improving my game. I always read about push/fold strategy and tried to implement as best I could just from reading these forums. That resulted in about a 10% ROI at the $11's. Since buying the tool, I have more than doubled my ROI.

It allows you to go over your bubble play (which I feel is most important at the $11's), and notice situations that will come up time after time if you play a lot of these things. When you have that information ready to go for future tournaments, your starting with a big advantage over the average $11 player.

So...yeah, buy it.

[Nato76]

Link to this software tool please? Is this only for party poker or it can be used on any site? I play the SnGs on pokerstars.

it's the greatest.

and it works with stars too but you need to download the 'test release' which is linked to in the forum on this website: http://www.sitngo-analyzer.com/

[Nato76]

Thank you.

[Nato76]

I just downloaded the free version. I'm guessing when you buy the registration key there is more to it like importing HH's? I am definitely buying it as I am switching to the turbo sngs on Stars. Any other tools you guys use like PT or PokerOffice during a game?

[jmillerdls]

Yes, you load up a HH and you can then click on any qualifying hand (I usually go down to whenever I have 10BB or less to start with), and go hand by qualifying hand to see where you could have pushed/called and it would have been profitable...or where you shouldn't have pushed/called.
I personally use PT and PAHUD during my SNG play. If I was only an SNG player, I may not have bothered with PAHUD, but I had it for cash games and have started using it for SNGs. I personally find it very useful in helping me make some close decisions.

[Jbrochu]

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I just downloaded the free version. I'm guessing when you buy the registration key there is more to it like importing HH's? I am definitely buying it as I am switching to the turbo sngs on Stars. Any other tools you guys use like PT or PokerOffice during a game?

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I'm not certain, but it seems as if you might believe that SnGPT is used "real time" during play. This is not the case, it is used during "study time" when you are evaluating your HH's and working to improve your game.

The author of the software long ago decided not to modify it to be used in real time, and since then most poker sites have made rules that would likely ban the use of SnGPT during live play anyway.

Maybe this will help me and my struggling 14% ROI at the 11s.

I would also say that in addition to just using SNGPT it also might be good to work through the math by hand a few times so you understand what it's doing. I learned from a thread where I asked/learned about pokerstove and eV vs $EV (ICM). I think knowing the math and the theory behind both also helps to use in situations where it might not be as simple as push/fold/call-push.

Here's that thread (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=singletable&Number=424341 5&Searchpage=1&Main=4243415&Words=%2460+suzzer99&t opic=&Search=true#Post4243415). But I'm guessing there might be a much more user-friendly, comprehensive tutorial out there?

[Jbrochu]

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But I'm guessing there might be a much more user-friendly, comprehensive tutorial out there?

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Here (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=&Number=1122239&page=&view =&sb=5&o=&fpart=) is the thread that I used to learn how to hand crank these calculations. I also found some helpful information in HoH (I think 2).

I agree with you that learning by hand first, while time consuming, is very helpful.