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Vavavoom

12-27-2005, 01:51 PM

I have just sat down at both tables....within the orbit....

Hand 1:

MP1 is a complete fish and over the last few hands his stack has dwindled from approx ~ $160ish

CO = 23/3 over 250 hands....I was intending to push had CO not re-raised....

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

UTG ($202.70)
UTG+1 ($78)
MP1 ($52.40)
MP2 ($175)
MP3 ($200)
CO ($200)
Button ($277.55)
SB ($76)
Hero ($150)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif. CO posts a blind of $3.
2 folds, MP1 raises to $8, 2 folds, CO (poster) raises to $20, 2 folds, Hero calls $18, MP1 calls $12.

Flop: ($62) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets $32, Hero ??

Whatever happens here.....MP1 is coming along for the ride....

Hand 2:

Button is 19/4 type player over first 20 or so hands I have on him...

My PF raise is possibly questionable - I wasn't expecting 4 callers...

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UTG ($65.10)
Hero ($155)
MP1 ($94.35)
MP2 ($207.40)
MP3 ($61.15)
CO ($30.10)
Button ($224)
SB ($45.35)
BB ($68)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $2, Hero raises to $10, MP1 calls $10, 3 folds, Button calls $10, SB calls $9, BB calls $8, UTG folds.

Flop: ($52) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $44, MP1 folds, Button raises to $90, SB folds, BB folds, Hero ???

I'm guessing this is straightforward....?

AdamBragar

12-27-2005, 02:23 PM

First hand, reraise preflop, push the flop in the situation you are in.

Second hand, push. He might do this raise with legit hands you beat (1010-QQ) and with draws.

TheGrifter

12-27-2005, 02:29 PM

HAND 1 - I favor a preflop push. You're likely to get a call from MP1 with a bad hand and you need to charge CO given that he could be raising to isolate against a weak player. Given your stack size it looks like a pretty easy push.

Hand 2 - This one is really read dependant, push/fold situation depending on your range for CO. Without reads I fold every time.

jkkkk

12-27-2005, 02:30 PM

hand 1: Make it 100 straight.

hand 2: It's hard but I probably fold.

Maulik

12-27-2005, 02:39 PM

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I have just sat down at both tables....within the orbit....

Hand 1:

MP1 is a complete fish and over the last few hands his stack has dwindled from approx ~ $160ish

CO = 23/3 over 250 hands....I was intending to push had CO not re-raised....

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

UTG ($202.70)
UTG+1 ($78)
MP1 ($52.40)
MP2 ($175)
MP3 ($200)
CO ($200)
Button ($277.55)
SB ($76)
Hero ($150)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif. CO posts a blind of $3.
2 folds, MP1 raises to $8, 2 folds, CO (poster) raises to $20, 2 folds, Hero calls $18, MP1 calls $12.

Flop: ($62) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets $32, Hero ??

Whatever happens here.....MP1 is coming along for the ride....

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PF: buy-in for full $200.

raise to $100 straight PF.

Call the flop, raise/push the turn. We want JJ,QQ to come along for this ride.

Maulik

12-27-2005, 02:41 PM

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hand 2: It's hard but I probably fold.

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Isura

12-27-2005, 02:50 PM

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Hand 2 - This one is really read dependant, push/fold situation depending on your range for CO. Without reads I fold every time.

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Without reads I push.

jkkkk

12-27-2005, 02:57 PM

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PF: buy-in for full $200.

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lol yup.

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raise to $100 straight PF.

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Call the flop, raise/push the turn. We want JJ,QQ to come along for this ride.

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But if an A or K turns then we lose value to QQ & JJ and by calling, we would be giving both opponents a cheap turn card.

Maulik

12-27-2005, 02:57 PM

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Hand 2 - This one is really read dependant, push/fold situation depending on your range for CO. Without reads I fold every time.

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Without reads I push.

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5 handed, you don't think someone has 2 pair or a set?

TheGrifter

12-27-2005, 03:16 PM

Pushing isn't terrible. Several reasons why I don't here. Given the near min-re-raise its tough to put him on a draw unless it's a big one he doesn't seem to want you to lay down. He's going to have you beat more often then you'll see a smaller overpair. At the very least he's drawing very live against you so you're going to lose a fair amount of the time when you're ahead and you're not going to be ahead often enough to make this a good spot to put your money in.

12-27-2005, 04:03 PM

1. I don't mind the raise to 20 too much, as long as you are prepared to see more than one guy. You landed a bee-yuuu-tee-full flop. But you have to protect your kings. So, I would definitely raise here and hope that you get the fish to call with JJ or QQ. If he has 1010, oh well.

2. Fold. Just...fold. For all the reasons stated.

Vavavoom

12-27-2005, 04:21 PM

Well, thanks for the analysis....

The 1st hand seemed fishy IMO...CO just seemed to be itching for a call....

Hand 1:

Hero folds, MP1 raises to $32.4, CO calls $0.39.

Turn: ($126.80) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)

River: ($126.80) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $126.80

Results in white below: 
MP1 has 2c 2d (two pair, sevens and twos).
CO has Ah Ac (two pair, aces and sevens).
Outcome: CO wins $126.80. 

Hand 2:

I had never seen villain before and thought a set would push hoping for the overpair call....

I decided to push .....Villain used entire time-bank before calling....

Hero raises to $145, Button calls $55.

Turn: ($342) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)

River: ($342) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $342

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ks Kd (one pair, kings).
Button has Ts Tc (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $342.

12-27-2005, 04:48 PM

[censored] it. [censored] this game. Maybe it's time to go live.