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wdeadwyler

12-27-2005, 05:20 AM

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BB ($183.65)
Hero ($104.45)
Button ($240.79)
SB ($102.00)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero raises to $4.00, Button calls $4.00, SB calls $3.50, 1 folds.

Flop: ($13.00) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $9.00, Button raises to $18.00, SB folds, Hero calls $9.00.

Turn: ($49.00) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $25.00, Button calls $25.00.

River: ($99.00) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)

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CO ($92.05)
Button ($202.58)
Hero ($106.98)
BB ($227.22)
UTG ($132.81)
MP ($100.67)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 folds, MP calls $1.00, CO calls $1.00, 1 folds, Hero raises to $5.50, 1 folds, MP calls $5.00, 1 folds.

Flop: ($14.00) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $10.00, MP raises to $25.00, Hero calls $15.00.

Turn: ($64.00) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $25.00, MP calls $25.00.

River: ($114.00) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)

Hand 1: Villain was very loose, I saw him call a raise and then a short stack push with A6 off, then lead into a dry sidepot when he flopped bottom pair on a coordinated dangerous board.

Hand 2: Villain unknown

What to do on these rivers?

Morrek

12-27-2005, 08:25 AM

Bet more, especially on both turns, but I want more on the flops too. Hand1 get your money in(would be easier if you had bet more earlier), hand2 you have ~45 behind in a 114 pot? get the rest in there unless you think he'll bluff a missed draw or something

12-27-2005, 08:28 AM

What's with the stop and go, you should be 3 betting the flop cause of the flush draws.

trumpman84

12-27-2005, 09:55 AM

hand 1 I probably push, if he's as loose as you say, he'll call with lots of hands you beat.

Hand 2 is tougher..his play suggests AK or AQ..I think both check-calling and bet-folding are decent plays here.

wdeadwyler

12-27-2005, 08:55 PM

On both of these hands I was bet/folding the turn, however, you will see that the plan did not go as well as I hoped, as villain's smoothcalled. I could prob bet a dollar more on each flop, but the difference is trivial in my mind.

So, the general point of this post: What is your plan on these flops. And if you bet/fold turn, what is your plan when villain smoothcalls?

12-27-2005, 09:00 PM

I've grown to abhor minraises, as they always seem to be monsters trying to swell a pot without scaring you out of them.

Hand 1, if villain is an established reckless LAg, then I push the river with extreme prejudice.

Hand 2, bet/fold.

Maybe I'm too weak tight, but big one pair pots can mean big trouble.

wdeadwyler

12-27-2005, 09:04 PM

Im not deep enough to b/f in hand 2. Its either push, C/C, or C/F.

Please say why you think one is better than the other.

EMcWilliams

12-27-2005, 09:55 PM

Hand 2: If MP hit runners, thats bad. Your point in the hand were you needed to decide I think was the flop raise on you. Limp call raise by an unknown seems like a set line to me, but his smoothcall on the turn seems out of place for that line. Do you think villian plays his draws in that manner? I like a check call here because if he bets, even putting you all in, your getting about 3-1 on your call, and if hes on the draw you might get a free showdown, or pick off a bluff.

orange

12-27-2005, 11:32 PM

Hand 1: I think if villan is a loose dumb moron, I think pushing is best. You will see a call from worse Qs and such.

Hand 2: I think villan may have 2 pair. A5s/A8 are possible, as is a weaker Ace. I think c/c is best. As stated before, stack sizes are not big enough to b/f. c/f MAY be an option, but I'm not so sure we have the worst hand just yet. I think c/c allows us (maybe) a cheaper showdown.