Between a Rock and a Hard Place?

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

'Stars $50 + 5 Single. 5 left. Since we got to 5-handed, table has been very tight. Blinds are 100/200.

I get A /images/graemlins/heart.gif Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif in the BB

Seat 1: C/O(2840 in chips)
Seat 2: Button (3000 in chips)
Seat 3: SB (1895 in chips)
Seat 4: KURN - BB (2980 in chips)
Seat 6: UTG (2785 in chips)

UTG makes it 800 to go, folded to SB who calls, I call.

(3 players, 2400) Flop: A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif T /images/graemlins/heart.gif 6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif

SB goes all-in for 1095. My turn with the original preflop raiser yet to act.

Comments? My decision and results sometime tomorrow.

[citanul]

i hate your preflop call.

I call the flop here without thinking twice.

SB looks like a stop and go. If he had a stronger hand than you he'd probably wouldn't fastplay it like this.

What are you afraid the raiser has? AK? I think a pair of some sort is more likely. Even if he does have AK, he could possibly lay it down to all that action in front of him.

[brimstone1]

Considering this is a $55, it seems like you're beat, multiple times over. I'd fold preflop after SB calls, if SB folded I'd actually be more inclined to push than call.

[durron597]

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Since we got to 5-handed, table has been very tight.

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i hate your preflop call.

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yep

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

That's an awfully tough fold getting better than 3:1 with AQs.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

I assume youy're saying I should push preflop.

[otctrader]

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table has been very tight

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UTG makes it 800 to go

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Seat 3: SB (1895 in chips) -- folded to SB who calls

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Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me with a tight UTG raiser and commited SB, doubly so with his weird call.

You have a 15xbb stack - utilize folding equity to your advantage, especially on a "tight "table. You have none here. Assume you shove, SB is for all intents and purposes all in, and UTG will be getting 2.75:1 and come in for the rest of his 2000 with anything halfway decent.

I muck this (pf that is)

[skipperbob]

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I assume youy're saying I should push preflop.

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Failing to push pre-flop has created the situation you now face; however, I go broke with your hand at this point /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[USCSigma1097]

Kurn,

I think the other posters have discussed the mistake preflop on this hand. However, seeing as you did see the flop, you now have top pair second kicker. Since you called 800 preflop, what sort of flop were you expecting to see? Short of flopping trips or better, this is about the best you can ask for. Now that you're in the hand, I call here without hesitation. Were you hoping to miss the flop so you could fold unimproved? If so, what was the point of playing the hand in the first place?

You called 1/3 of your stack preflop and just made top pair, queen kicker. I think at this point you have an easy call.

Sigma

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

You called 1/3 of your stack preflop

My preflop call was for 21.5% of my stack. (I had 2750 left and called 600)

Since you called 800 preflop, what sort of flop were you expecting to see?

<shrug> I "expected" to see 3 cards. But, I get your points. I've already said the same things to myself.


Short of flopping trips or better, this is about the best you can ask for

Meh. Make the A on the flop a Q and I'm marginally happier.

You called 1/3 of your stack preflop and just made top pair, queen kicker. I think at this point you have an easy call.

And therein lies the crux of the problem. I'm ahead of SB most of the time, but UTG almost always folds when beaten, but is almost always ahead when he calls.

I think the other posters have discussed the mistake preflop on this hand.

Clearly I created my own problem. In retrospect I think I made an improper assumption based on the table playing tight. Yes, almost all preflop raises took down the blinds, but that doesn't say anything about the raising range. If anything, if my opponents are not idiots (and nothing they did prior to this hand suggested they were), I should think that the range of hands UTG was raising might not be real small, thus pushing preflop makes more sense. SB's not going to fold after that call, but after his flat call, I was relatively sure he didn't have me dominated, so I should've tried to get UTG to fold preflop.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

I pushed, and UTG called.

SB had K /images/graemlins/club.gif Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
UTG had A /images/graemlins/spade.gif K /images/graemlins/diamond.gif which held up.