(5$) Nightmare river card, was villian getting correct drawing odds? [Archive]

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12-26-2005, 11:33 PM

The outcome of this hand was disturbing. Not so much because of the card that came on the river, but the fact that I played it incorrectly. Was the villain getting proper drawing odds?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1280)
SB (t1410)
BB (t2030)
UTG (t2660)
UTG+1 (t1885)
MP1 (t1335)
MP2 (t1135)
Hero (t1765)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls t50, 3 folds, Hero raises to t225, 2 folds, BB calls t175, UTG calls t175.

Flop: (t700) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets t125, BB calls t125, UTG folds.

Turn: (t950) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t350, BB calls t350.

River: (t1650) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
BB bets t250, Hero calls t250.

Final Pot: t2150

yvesaint

12-26-2005, 11:34 PM

bet more, like, everywhere

11t

12-26-2005, 11:36 PM

You butchered this hand.

Bet 2/3 to the pot on flop/turn.

nyc999

12-26-2005, 11:37 PM

With straight & flush draws on the flop, you need to bet it much stronger - I'd go with 500 - 700. Same with turn, bet much more.

I don't know if villain was getting proper odds - depends on their holding. They most likely had Jx where x was A, K or Q. Your betting allowed them to stay in the hand.

12-26-2005, 11:39 PM

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You butchered this hand.

Bet 2/3 to the pot on flop/turn.

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I thought so, thanks for your input.

12-26-2005, 11:47 PM

If either opponent holds a King, he'll call a 2/3 to pot sized bet. At the same time, you'll give flush/straight draws incorrect odds to call, so it's a win-win if you put a decent sized bet in there. With a board like this, most everyone else is going away to just about any bet so don't worry about chasing off weaker hands.

I usually play my sets pretty fast in late position w/paint on the board. You'd be surprised how many times you get checkraised by top pair on this flop, which, of course, is exactly what you want.

12-27-2005, 12:07 AM

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If either opponent holds a King, he'll call a 2/3 to pot sized bet. At the same time, you'll give flush/straight draws incorrect odds to call, so it's a win-win if you put a decent sized bet in there. With a board like this, most everyone else is going away to just about any bet so don't worry about chasing off weaker hands.

I usually play my sets pretty fast in late position w/paint on the board. You'd be surprised how many times you get checkraised by top pair on this flop, which, of course, is exactly what you want.

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Hobbes you are a good pal to have /images/graemlins/grin.gif

12-27-2005, 12:18 AM

You're welcome.

I want to clarify a little: The real advantage of playing this hand fast, other than discouraging draws, is that there is an overcard to your set of queens. If the flop came Q-9-4 rainbow, it would be a different situation.

By the way, you shouldn't mind at all if you bet and take down this particular hand on the flop. You've already stuck in a healthy PF raise and gotten two callers. That's a nice pot at this stage.

You need to keep a balance between getting maximum value and protecting your chip stack. Not all big hands should be slow played.