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Roland32
12-26-2005, 10:56 PM
Yes the preflop call is very questionable but my question is regarding the push.

PokerStars Game #3445066133: Tournament #17091723, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/12/26 - 21:49:24 (ET)
Table '17091723 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: dealer18 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: JanePat (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: Roland (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: MORAN23 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Tidlund (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: PVMAN (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: shooteruk (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: ZooKa (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: reg124 (1500 in chips)
JanePat: posts small blind 10
Roland: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Roland [9d Td]
MORAN23: folds
Tidlund: folds
PVMAN: folds
shooteruk: raises 60 to 80
ZooKa: folds
reg124: calls 80
dealer18: folds
JanePat: folds
Roland: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [9s Ad Jd]
Roland: checks
shooteruk: checks
reg124: bets 240
Roland: raises 1180 to 1420 and is all-in
shooteruk: folds
reg124: calls 1180 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [9s Ad Jd] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [9s Ad Jd 4h] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Roland: shows [9d Td] (a pair of Nines)
reg124: shows [As Qs] (a pair of Aces)
reg124 collected 3090 from pot
reg124 said, "flush chaser"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3090 | Rake 0
Board [9s Ad Jd 4h 3h]
Seat 1: dealer18 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: JanePat (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Roland (big blind) showed [9d Td] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 4: MORAN23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Tidlund folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: PVMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: shooteruk folded on the Flop
Seat 8: ZooKa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: reg124 showed [As Qs] and won (3090) with a pair of Aces
jeffraider
12-26-2005, 11:00 PM
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Yes the preflop call is very questionable but my question is regarding the push.

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Why do people say stuff like this? They don't want discussion of the obviously-misplayed part of the hand but they don't want to hear some reinforcement of what is a very obvious push with a pair and a flush draw. Yes the push on the flop is completely fine, I think, especially since there is 400 in the pot if he folds. I think leading out here is just fine too.
Roland32
12-26-2005, 11:03 PM
Well because I knew it WAS the wrong play. If you want to discuss the preflop call thats fine but I already knew that answer.
jwesty5
12-26-2005, 11:04 PM
When I got caught speeding I told the officer I didn't want to hear anything about the ticket I just expected to be congratulated on wearing my seat belt.
yvesaint
12-26-2005, 11:06 PM
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When I got caught speeding I told the officer I didn't want to hear anything about the ticket I just expected to be congratulated on wearing my seat belt.

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nh
jeffraider
12-26-2005, 11:06 PM
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Well because I knew it WAS the wrong play. If you want to discuss the preflop call thats fine but I already knew that answer.

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Well if the preflop is obvious to you should the postflop not be equally obvious?
trainslayer
12-26-2005, 11:23 PM
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Well because I knew it WAS the wrong play. If you want to discuss the preflop call thats fine but I already knew that answer.

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Well if the preflop is obvious to you should the postflop not be equally obvious?

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I'm not sure about Roland's ablility, but preflop is obvious to me. Postflop, while somewhat obvious, is definitely not equally obvious to me.
jeffraider
12-26-2005, 11:27 PM
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I'm not sure about Roland's ablility, but preflop is obvious to me. Postflop, while somewhat obvious, is definitely not equally obvious to me.

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Maybe that was too far of me to think the two are equally obvious but I will say that C/Ring all-in with a pair and a flush draw is second nature to me, and probably most cash game players.
11t
12-26-2005, 11:30 PM
Pushing likely coinflips versus pot committing raises early in a SNG is poor play imo.
jeffraider
12-26-2005, 11:32 PM
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Pushing likely coinflips versus pot committing raises early in a SNG is poor play imo.

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What the?
danger_mouse
12-27-2005, 04:56 AM
Calling a standard raise and a call with medium suited connectors this early in a sng is not terrible in my opinion-- not that'd I'd make a habit of it. However, it'd be more likely to call with 67s or 89s. Thing is, when you get the occassion 2 pair, your opponents inevitably get a straight draw.

I probably lead the flop unless I'm against a chronic continuation better (then I check/raise). I'm usually happy to get all my money in here when there isn't already two pair, or 3-to-a-straight on the board.