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12-26-2005, 03:12 PM

I have noticed villian is loose passive, and after the 60 hands I played with him I see he was 55/3. Are both of these pushes standard against what appears to be a fish?

I had not showed any hands down in the few orbits I had been at the table but I had taken down 3 or 4 pots. These hands take place within one orbit of eachother.

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Button ($48.50)
Hero ($58.75)
BB ($59.30)
UTG ($79.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, Button calls $0.50, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $1, BB folds, Button raises to $2, Hero calls $1.

Turn: ($5.50) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.5, Hero raises to $3, Button raises to $5.5, Hero pushes $53.25 (All-In)

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UTG ($38.50)
Hero ($69)
Button ($58.55)
SB ($21.76)
BB ($79.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, UTG calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.75) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $4, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($12.75) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $9, Hero pushes $63 (All-In)

2PAUL2

12-26-2005, 03:16 PM

hand 1 after villain made it 5.5 i would of made it 20 or say. its more tempting to call and sets you up nicely to get the rest in on river. i think you lose too much of his hand range by pushing when there isnt much you need to protect against.

hand 2 looks good.

paul

12-26-2005, 03:32 PM

Unless you've seen Villian calling a lot of overbets, I don't like either push. My experience is some loose players can find a fold if faced with a large bet. In the first hand, if Villian has a flush you're probably going to get the money in anyway, but might scare away a worse hand with an all-in (players like this might not think much about the three clubs until you make this massive bet). I'd just raise it to $15-20 and hope Villian comes over the top.

On the second hand, I'd raise on the flop. I think the turn bet allows the Villian to get away from a lot of hands you beat. I think a lot of this depends on your read of Villian. Is he making a lot of bets himself, or is he just calling bets down?

In general, I like making lots of 2/3 pot to pot sized bets against loose-passive players rather than all-ins. No reason to give him a reason to fold his top pair weak kicker.

Fallen Hero

12-26-2005, 03:56 PM

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I have noticed villian is loose passive, and after the 60 hands I played with him I see he was 55/3. Are both of these pushes standard against what appears to be a fish?

I had not showed any hands down in the few orbits I had been at the table but I had taken down 3 or 4 pots. These hands take place within one orbit of eachother.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

Button ($48.50)
Hero ($58.75)
BB ($59.30)
UTG ($79.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, Button calls $0.50, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $1, BB folds, Button raises to $2, Hero calls $1.

Turn: ($5.50) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.5, Hero raises to $3, Button raises to $5.5, Hero pushes $53.25 (All-In)

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I'd raise pf, but I know a lot of players won't. Not 3beting that flop is really bad imo, specially against a fish, you'll end up in this kind of situation a lot (trying to put a lot of money into the pot after the ultimate scare card comes)

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UTG ($38.50)
Hero ($69)
Button ($58.55)
SB ($21.76)
BB ($79.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, UTG calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.75) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $4, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($12.75) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $9, Hero pushes $63 (All-In)

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You're representing a flush, I guess it depends on your read of the villain, if he likes to make big calls this might be good, otherwise I don't like it.