What is he Thinking?

[skipperbob]

$215 SnG - 5 players left - me and shorty are both shortstacks with less than 10BB's each...He flat calls $150 from UTG...folded to my BB...I have A-9off...I check...Flop come 7-8-9 rainbow...I push...He calls with A-Q..I'm gone when Q hits the river....O.K. so no big deal....But please tell me what went thru his mind to call my allin with no pair???? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[sofere]

He's thinking why the %*$# did I limp UTG with this hand? There's no way I'm gonna fold AQ!!!

You're lucky you have tenure...if you were a newb, you'd be in the middle of an all out flame fest for this post.

[bearly]

speaking of fuel for flame fests--what about these twentyleven posts beginning w/ "curtains"? they are so tiring i don't have the energy to gripe.............b

[Snarf]

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He's thinking why the %*$# did I limp UTG with this hand? There's no way I'm gonna fold AQ!!!

You're lucky you have tenure...if you were a newb, you'd be in the middle of an all out flame fest for this post.

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nh.

Spot on analysis I think...but you have to add the thought: "my trap worked - I've got him now!"

[45suited]

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speaking of fuel for flame fests--what about these twentyleven posts beginning w/ "curtains"? they are so tiring i don't have the energy to gripe.............b

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I know what you mean. There's obviously no value in studying the play of one of the best SNGers out there.

Let's have more, "Is my 200% ROI after 40 games sustainable" posts.

Oh, to SFB's original question, he's probably some rich guy with $215 burning a hole in his pocket who thought his AQ was still good.

[Vuron00]

He's thinking "This damn, super aggressive, 2+2'er thinks he can bluff me off this pot... take this, biatch."

[Burno]

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speaking of fuel for flame fests--what about these twentyleven posts beginning w/ "curtains"? they are so tiring i don't have the energy to gripe.............b

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Apologies if my sarcasm detector is malfunctioning, but all the posts you see with "curtains" in the title are part of an ongoing project by dozens of forum members to improve their play. Curtains, a successful 215'er and one of the most respected opinions on this board, has been generous enough to share his HH's with dozens of members to review and post hands they are curious about. It is an extremely educational and quite valuable project that Curtains was kind enough to volunteer for, although I'm sure it's a mutually beneficial.

Check it out, I'm learning lots.

And now I see 45suited has beaten me to this post.



Skipper, what were the exact stacks? Ever c/r all in here ?

[kyro]

I push A9 PF in your position.

[Uppercut]

I see these calls on the flop all the time at the 11s. I didn't think players at the 215s would be doing it as well. I truly think that they see your flop push as a blatant steal attempt and they honesty believe that their A hi is good.

Saw a guy today min raise a 150 chip lead bet on a flop of K/8/3, 2 clubs. Lead bettor went all-in. Min raise idiot called. Lead bettor was in the BB in an unraised pot and had k/8. Min raise idiot had AJ off and nothing but a backdoor flush draw and 1 overcard. He hit runner runner clubs.

[Big Limpin']

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What was he Thinking?
You may choose only one

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My friend does stupid crap like that all the time at 10s and 20s, then complains that it is rigged because he had a better starting hand. Sometimes people do that to me at the 60s.

What if he was first in, and he pushes, then do you call him with top pair top kicker?

[bearly]

your sarcasm detector is probably broken. my experience w/ poker players has been w/ the real-life kind. 25-30 yrs of it. really superb players, and genuine gups and hard core sickos. never met one who was worth building a "cult of personality" around, nor one who i would believe more than 10% of what they said. you may not believe me: but, the better the player, the more clever, cunning, deceitful, and down-right dishonest i found them to be. perhaps the internet has changed human nature. you believe that?????????????????????............b

[Quicksilvre]

Interesting response...

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your sarcasm detector is probably broken. my experience w/ poker players has been w/ the real-life kind. 25-30 yrs of it. really superb players, and genuine gups and hard core sickos. never met one who was worth building a "cult of personality" around, nor one who i would believe more than 10% of what they said. you may not believe me: but, the better the player, the more clever, cunning, deceitful, and down-right dishonest i found them to be. perhaps the internet has changed human nature. you believe that?????????????????????............b

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Yes, Curtains is playing hundreds of $215's very badly, making all sorts of very stupid mistakes, and then emails the hand histories of these SnG's to 2+2'ers. When they ask why Curtains did something on a hand he will give only terrible advice. All other good players play along with him. They do all that to keep the competition soft.

I knew it all along.

EDIT: and online poker is rigged too.

[bearly]

if i may re-jigger a quote a bit: "unconditional belief is the opiate of the masses"..........so believe w/ all your heart................b

[ZBTHorton]

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if i may re-jigger a quote a bit: "unconditional belief is the opiate of the masses"..........so believe w/ all your heart................b

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What in the hell are you talking about?

Curtains sends us his HH's...we see he's a winning player(I can 100% verify this personally) and we dissect his play.

It's not some cult following, we haven't agreed with him everytime.

[bearly]

fair enough..................what in hell is he talking about?.......let's start w/ the need to think broadly, to come to terms w/ some general observations that can be suggested from specific examples. but, perhaps you won't have the time. after all, it is a full time job defending one's svengali.........b

[ZBTHorton]

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fair enough..................what in hell is he talking about?.......let's start w/ the need to think broadly, to come to terms w/ some general observations that can be suggested from specific examples. but, perhaps you won't have the time. after all, it is a full time job defending one's svengali.........b

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I'm totally lost.

[benza13]

bearly, are you a moran? the idea is that curtains sends out hand histories for others to critique his play and try to learn from it. They choose interesting hands that they would like others to discuss as well and post it as "curtains" hand so that Curtains knows his sending out hand history files is being put to good use. After a period of inactivity he will often respond with his thoughts so that others can learn. I have seen threads where Curtains learned something new and many more threads where the rest of us did. If you don't like it, don't read the threads. It is certainly making this forum a lot better as many content rich posts are coming from it.

[bearly]

i don't know about the "moran" part, but i am happy that you are so deliciously intoxicated w/ this powerful elixer you have discovered. read more, drink it in, enjoy..........b

[sofere]

Thank you, I will...and I must say it is definitely both delicious and intoxicating...Kind of like a Jack and Coke.

[Daliman]

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I push A9 PF in your position.

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...and get called by a better hand 95% of the time.

[Daliman]

He was thinking all three of what you had , and that maybe also you had a ten, which, even without a pair, makes his call horrendous.

[Burno]

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is your problem? It's clear from some of your other posts you have some sort of problem with curtains. Good for you, but don't clog up the boards with this garbage. I fail to see the "cult of personality" surrounding curtains, at least nowhere near the level afforded other prominient posters (Gigabet, Diablo, etc).

He's not infallible, nor does he claim to be. I don't know the guy personally, but if he was full of hot air all the time he most certainly would be exposed by others in his game, one of the great features of this community.

I doubt he needs me to defend him and that's not the purpose of this post. My concern is that posters with his talent + patience/willingness to teach for free are few and far between, and I don't want the well to dry up because of some assclowns like you.

If you have a problem with him, deal with it, otherwise just put him on ignore and stay out of the discussion.

Personally, i'm really surprised that you found this situation worth taking time to complain about, it's so normal. Hell, I just went all in with 1200 in a hand at level 4 with 8 players left, got one guy who reraised all in for 1600, and a last guy called us both and was also all in and he flipped up 9 4 off, and i'm still not surprised enough to post about it....if you ask me, these people just got too much alcohol as fetuses, and the rest of us have a lot to be thankful for as a result:P

[curtains]

Don't worry I won't "quit" 2+2 because of random people. I've always found the concept of someone threatening to leave a site because of one or two morons to be childish. It's like a plea to have everyone tell you how great you are and how you should stay. As long as there is interesting poker conversation happening on 2+2 I should stay around.

[bearly]

don't you find it strange that what is 'clear' to you isn't even true? i don't know a thing about curtains. i don't believe, however that anyone here (maybe stanzee) would claim infallibility. only defend those things that you believe are in need of it. "assclown"--i didn't curse curtains or his fans. perhaps you could go back and read my posts and look to the "larger view" that just might be lurking w/in. happy motoring...........b

[Snarf]

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bearly, are you a moran? the idea is that curtains sends out hand histories for others to critique his play and try to learn from it. They choose interesting hands that they would like others to discuss as well and post it as "curtains" hand so that Curtains knows his sending out hand history files is being put to good use. After a period of inactivity he will often respond with his thoughts so that others can learn. I have seen threads where Curtains learned something new and many more threads where the rest of us did. If you don't like it, don't read the threads. It is certainly making this forum a lot better as many content rich posts are coming from it.

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100% agreed. I wish this form had more Curtains threds..

Also - I look foward to the day when I have 500 posts and can personally review his HH.

For the record - I'd also review HH by ANY proven successful 2+2er whose style I respected.