Scarecard semibluff, what U guys think?

[Tony.T]

Villian is a fish, like or not like?



Lindagirl (Hero) (EUR 85,30 in seat 1)
Sokrates (EUR 70,25 in seat 2)
ZeNNa (EUR 99,31 in seat 3)
wehrner (EUR 187,27 in seat 4)
BENGTSON10 (EUR 141,68 in seat 5)
sture* (EUR 149,00 in seat 6)

Dealer: BENGTSON10
Small Blind: sture* (1,00)
Big Blind: Lindagirl (2,00)

Lindagirl was dealt: 7s - 5c

Sokrates Fold
ZeNNa Fold
wehrner Fold
BENGTSON10 Call (2,00)
sture* Call (1,00)
Lindagirl Check

Flop 6c - Th - 4h

sture* Bet (3,00)
Linda69 Call (3,00)
BENGTSON10 Fold

Turn 6c - Th - 4h - As


sture* Bet (6,50)
Lindagirl Raise (18,00)
sture* Call (11,50)

River 6c - Th - 4h - As - 3d

sture* Check
Linda69 All-In (62,30)

Other than the river push I like it. I'd rather value bet the river.

I don't know what I was looking at, but there is my standard answer for this type of move. That response is, there is no reason to bluff the fish. Fish don't fold, that is why they are fish in the first place. For example, if the villain in this hand has a flush draw and is a fish, he is simple not going to fold, he wants to see if he can hit.

On the other hand, if you know your opponent to be weak or "thinking" a case can be made for pushing them off what seem to be susceptible made hands when a scare card hits.

[Tony.T]

I don´t think he pushes 2 pair on the turn and will never fold it to a push, that is why I moved in

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I don´t think he pushes 2 pair on the turn and will never fold it to a push, that is why I moved in

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Sorry tony, I misread the hand ( i am going to delete my post now, although what i said is still true IMO. Like dustbuster said, just value bet that fishy.

Oh yeah, use a converter please.

Nope read it again, I read it right the first time. OOPS, tired.

[Tony.T]

You are both saying fishes dont fold and this one called my turn raise when the A came. I think you are missing alot of value if you dont overbet in spots like this


What is a converter?

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You are both saying fishes dont fold and this one called my turn raise when the A came. I think you are missing alot of value if you dont overbet in spots like this


What is a converter?

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Okay they don't fold, but most of them can fold marginal hands to huge overbets on the river.

I am sure with an infinitesimal amount of effort you can figure out what a coverter is, you do have 200 posts.

BTW, the turn is my concern, not the river.

[Tony.T]

Im not really english speaking and whats with the attitude?
"Then dont fold" Why would I do that, I got the nuts?

I also think they can fold a marginal hand, but a strong A or two pair is not marginal to a fish IMO

everything looks good but the reraises. I personally would of folded on the turn.

[Mercman572]

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Villian is a fish, like or not like?

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I stopped reading here, semi-bluffing fish is generally not a good idea.

[Tony.T]

Masterhp, that is also fine of course
This is not a standard play for me, just thought the
situation was good for it

"then don't fold" I am not sure what you are quoting here. i said, " they don't fold, but can fold marginal hands to huge bets on the river."

I apologize if there is a language barrier here, but that is as simple as I can say that.

I didn't mean to give you any attitude, sorry if it seemed that way.

However, if you are so sure he has a two pair or a strong A and think he will call an overbet on the river, fine. in that case, you are going with a read on your opponent, which most of us do every day. However, when you post a hand asking for advice, we are assuming you are unsure as to what the best play is. Our responses are going to be standard and generic in most cases because that is how you play against the fish--play poker against those that know what they are doing (or just avoid them if you can).

If you feel that you are right and "we are missing a lot of value" by not pushing the river, then why did you post the hand? (not trying to be a dick).

you are right, your play is fine, nothing wrong with it. Hell, i have done it plenty of times against idiots. But usually what when a donk leads, he usually has something, even if that means the lowest pair. In your case, you are playing against a donkey and your play is fine. But think about this, what if you did not hit your straight on the river. Would you still have risked so much chips?

[Tony.T]

"you are right, your play is fine, nothing wrong with it. Hell, i have done it plenty of times against idiots. But usually what when a donk leads, he usually has something, even if that means the lowest pair. In your case, you are playing against a donkey and your play is fine. But think about this, what if you did not hit your straight on the river. Would you still have risked so much chips?"


Masterhp, once he calls my turn raise Im not putting in any more money unless I hit on the river

[Tony.T]

"apologize if there is a language barrier here, but that is as simple as I can say that.

I didn't mean to give you any attitude, sorry if it seemed that way."



"If you feel that you are right and "we are missing a lot of value" by not pushing the river, then why did you post the hand? (not trying to be a dick)"


Ness, its no problem. I dont think anything bad about U.
If you read my headline my consideration was about my
turn raise and concerning my all in on the end I think
that whats differs from small stakes and higher games.
Big value bets even without a history with the villian
Small stakes gamblers call because the are just that, gamblers


Tony

[Tony.T]

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Villian is a fish, like or not like?

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I stopped reading here, semi-bluffing fish is generally not a good idea.

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Are you saying that there is only one kind of fish?
Are all fishes calling stations? I think a fish in
general in a limit game is a player who calls too much.
In NL it can be to plain bad, not just calling too much

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Small stakes gamblers call because the are just that, gamblers



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theyre not gambling if there are no more cards to come. the turn raise is bad for the aforementioned reasons. thanks for telling me the difference between the small stakes and the big stakes.

have a nice day /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Tony.T]

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Small stakes gamblers call because the are just that, gamblers



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theyre not gambling if there are no more cards to come. the turn raise is bad for the aforementioned reasons. thanks for telling me the difference between the small stakes and the big stakes.

have a nice day /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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So making crying calls is not a way of gambling?

[Mercman572]

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Villian is a fish, like or not like?

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I stopped reading here, semi-bluffing fish is generally not a good idea.

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Are you saying that there is only one kind of fish?
Are all fishes calling stations? I think a fish in
general in a limit game is a player who calls too much.
In NL it can be to plain bad, not just calling too much

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By definition, a fish is a player that calls too frequently and bets too small and infrequently so that they do not charge enough for good hands. They play many hands and passively. Therefore, when a "fish" bets it is usually with a hand they like.

[Fallen Hero]

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Villian is a fish, like or not like?



Lindagirl (Hero) (EUR 85,30 in seat 1)
Sokrates (EUR 70,25 in seat 2)
ZeNNa (EUR 99,31 in seat 3)
wehrner (EUR 187,27 in seat 4)
BENGTSON10 (EUR 141,68 in seat 5)
sture* (EUR 149,00 in seat 6)

Dealer: BENGTSON10
Small Blind: sture* (1,00)
Big Blind: Lindagirl (2,00)

Lindagirl was dealt: 7s - 5c

Sokrates Fold
ZeNNa Fold
wehrner Fold
BENGTSON10 Call (2,00)
sture* Call (1,00)
Lindagirl Check

Flop 6c - Th - 4h

sture* Bet (3,00)
Linda69 Call (3,00)
BENGTSON10 Fold

Turn 6c - Th - 4h - As


sture* Bet (6,50)
Lindagirl Raise (18,00)
sture* Call (11,50)

River 6c - Th - 4h - As - 3d

sture* Check
Linda69 All-In (62,30)

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"Villain is a fish"

and hero is a shark sitting with $85 in a $1/$2 table?