View Full Version : (LC) How many SNGs do you guys play a month?
Sykes
12-25-2005, 06:13 AM
And at what level?
Also, How do you guys know when to move up?
Is it when your bankroll hits a certain level?
When you beat a level at a certain ROI%?
I'm thinking of putting in 1000 Sngs a month along with 20K hands a month starting in Jan of 2006. Is 1000 enough?
applejuicekid
12-25-2005, 07:11 AM
I would be happy if I could actually get in 1000 a month. I play the 55s and probably get in around 500 to 800 a month.
I have no idea when to move up as I have only done so once, and it was when my bankroll reached 100 buy ins for the 55s. My bankroll has been more than sufficient to play the 109s for a while now, but moving up doesn't feel right. I'm not happy with my game right now, and will move up when I feel I have improved significantly.
I wouldn't move up based on my ROI nor would I not move up cuz my ROI is low. Bankroll and comfort level are more important in my opinion.
chisness
12-25-2005, 08:33 AM
I think most full time pros like to put in 20-25 hours a week. Your # of games will be at least that, so I'd say it's definitely enough.
I shoot for 800 sng's a month at the $55's for now. I move up when I have beaten the $55's for a good ROI over 2000+ tournaments and am confident I can beat the $109s. My bankroll is big enough already.
curtains
12-26-2005, 12:13 AM
Im going to try to play close to 1000 a month now with 10 tabling in sets for 3 hours per day. At some point I may even decide to play more, but we will see..
Sykes
12-26-2005, 12:34 AM
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Im going to try to play close to 1000 a month now with 10 tabling in sets for 3 hours per day. At some point I may even decide to play more, but we will see..
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Another question:
How many Sngs ($11) would I have to play to reach the top of the Party TLB? Also, I hear #1 on the list gets 5K, true or not?
Also, How do I get 300 views and only 4 replies? /images/graemlins/frown.gif
Snarf
12-26-2005, 12:46 AM
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I'm curious about how you guys structure your (semi) pro-SnG life style. ... but that is YEARS away for me if ever...
The difference between the volume youguys are talking about and my volume is laughable - so I just read...
I'm probably not alone?
Hendricks433
12-26-2005, 12:49 AM
I thought that use to be a ton but when you start adding alot of tables youll be suprised by how many games you get in.
Snarf
12-26-2005, 12:51 AM
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I thought that use to be a ton but when you start adding alot of tables youll be suprised by how many games you get in.
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I can see how you get there multi-tablin' it...
but my game needs enough work I try to keep it to 1-3 tables.
I can four table, but my game suffers enough its not worth it.
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How many Sngs ($11) would I have to play to reach the top of the Party TLB?
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Too many for you to play. Why would you spend more than a couple of hundred sngs at the $11s anyway?
Sykes
12-26-2005, 01:08 AM
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How many Sngs ($11) would I have to play to reach the top of the Party TLB?
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Too many for you to play. Why would you spend more than a couple of hundred sngs at the $11s anyway?
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So, what, should I not even bother with the $11 and just jump straight to the $22? I have 60 buyins at the 22 in my BR but 95% of that money is from my limit play.
So how many SNGs would it take to reach top of the leaderboard? Plus, is it true that 1st gets 5k?
I'd only jump straight to the $22s if you are confident you are a decent player. By decent, I mean beat the $22s for a worthwhile amount. If you have no idea, stick to the $11s. I'm just saying that there isn't any reason to stay at the $11s for TLB type volume, since that'd mean staying there for thousands of sngs, which is a waste when you could've moved up.
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So how many SNGs would it take to reach top of the leaderboard?
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How long is a piece of string?? Lower limits?? Thousands. As in 3k+.
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Plus, is it true that 1st gets 5k?
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Check for yourself (https://secure.partypoker.com/my_account/leader_board/tournament_leaderboard_nov.html)
You can figure out how many tournies you need by estimating your ITM, and then using the calculator at the bottom of the page.
Sykes
12-26-2005, 01:25 AM
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I'd only jump straight to the $22s if you are confident you are a decent player. By decent, I mean beat the $22s for a worthwhile amount. If you have no idea, stick to the $11s. I'm just saying that there isn't any reason to stay at the $11s for TLB type volume, since that'd mean staying there for thousands of sngs, which is a waste when you could've moved up.
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So how many SNGs would it take to reach top of the leaderboard?
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How long is a piece of string?? Lower limits?? Thousands. As in 3k+.
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Plus, is it true that 1st gets 5k?
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Check for yourself (https://secure.partypoker.com/my_account/leader_board/tournament_leaderboard_nov.html)
You can figure out how many tournies you need by estimating your ITM, and then using the calculator at the bottom of the page.
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Wow, I would need to play like 2K sngs at $11-22 to even reach 100th on the TLB.
ClockWyze
12-26-2005, 01:28 AM
1000 +55's
if you were playing for a living you couldn't play less
Sykes
12-26-2005, 02:42 AM
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1000 +55's
if you were playing for a living you couldn't play less
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O RLY?
I dunno. 30% ROI on the $11 over 1000 SNG isn't so bad.. I mean, there are families that live on less than $3000 a month, let alone a single guy.
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1000 +55's
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What a silly thing to say.
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1000 +55's
if you were playing for a living you couldn't play less
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O RLY?
I dunno. 30% ROI on the $11 over 1000 SNG isn't so bad.. I mean, there are families that live on less than $3000 a month, let alone a single guy.
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$3000 a month is ok for someone young but not something to write home about if you're over 24.
FlyWf
12-26-2005, 03:15 AM
Even if you're really sure you can beat the $22s and have the BR for it, what's the harm of playing a couple of hundred $11s? Work on your multi-tabling skills if not poker. If after 150 $11s you're beating them and (more importantly) you're confident that you are better than the competition, move up.
FlyWf
12-26-2005, 03:24 AM
It's not a matter of whether it's something to "write home about", it's whether you could make a living off it. As many, many Americans make a living on less than $36k a year, it's clearly possible.
I doubt there are many $11 pros out there because after 500 30% ROI SNGs you might think about moving up, but it's possible. I'm sure a good multitabler with a lot of time and a mental block against moving up could make $5k in a month at the $11s(2272 20% ROI 11s, which is about 40 hours a week 10tabling). Is $5k "something to write home about"?
As to the OP's question, here's a simple forumla:
N=Monthly nut/(buyinxROI)
If you need $3000 a month to live, that's 1363 20% ROI $11s. Or it's 279 5% ROI $215s.
nthn2fancy
12-26-2005, 04:10 AM
umm, no.
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Yeah that's pretty realistic.
curtains
12-26-2005, 05:09 AM
People work 8 hour per day jobs, why cant they do the same with poker?
FlyWf
12-26-2005, 05:25 AM
That's pretty well missing my entire point to key on an aside. Nice work. It would be difficult but not impossible to make $5000 in one month playing only $11s. After 2200 SNGs in 30 days you'd probably want to kill yourself, but it could be done. Thankfully not everyone needs $5000 a month and the fine people at Party Poker have seen fit to provide SNGs with a buyin higher than $11.
The original guy claiming that you need to play >1000 >$55s to make a living was grossly incorrect. I imagine most pros only satisfy one of those conditions and it's entirely possible to make a living satisfying neither.
z32fanatic
12-26-2005, 05:52 AM
If I were doing this for a living, I would probably only feel comfortable if I were doing 1500 $55s or 750+ $109s. I guess the total combined buyin per month is the determining factor. At least 75k buyins per month would be my minimum.
FlyWf
12-26-2005, 06:13 AM
Dude, I dunno how it works where you live, but when I told the people at the electric company that I had totally wagered enough last month they still wanted their filthy lucre.
The determining factor for "Are you making a living?" is pretty freaking simple: Is (Funds made)-(Funds spent)>=$0? If you play 1500 $215s poorly you aren't making a living, if you live in Sierra Leone you can make a living playing a couple of dozen $6s.
BradleyT
12-26-2005, 06:53 AM
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The determining factor for "Are you making a living?" is pretty freaking simple: Is (Funds made)-(Funds spent)>=$0?
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You have horrible financial skills if you believe this.
Just because you need 6 figs to make a living doesn't mean everyone does.
A good $22er can make a pretty decent living. Say 20% ROI, 10k sngs a year, that's 50k with rakeback.
That's a low limit player working 20hrs a week, 10 months a year.
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