Curtains hand 4: desperate from SB

[45suited]

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UTG (t1790)
Button (t4950)
Hero (t815)
BB (t2445)


Preflop: Hero is in SB with 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, Hero calls t250, BB checks

Flop: (t1000) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero t315 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>

[jeffraider]

Ooooh.

Did you have any sort of read on the BB to make this move, Curtains, or is this just a standard attempt for you in this spot no matter who is BB?

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

I think I need to do more of this... I always forget about stop and go... nice curtains!

[Sykes]

BB is terrible. I would have pushed Curtains in Preflop with any 2.

what does curtains mean?

[Gramps]

It's become a very common play in the 215s from a short stack SB. BB is either a moran, or had like a bottom 10% hand or worse (like 62o) that whiffed completely on the flop - that's probably the only time BB's play is correct.

[Snarf]

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BB is terrible. I would have pushed Curtains in Preflop with any 2.

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though that bottom 10% post was a good note too.

Pretty lame for a standard attempt - only you could make this play is with a read.

[adanthar]

Hmm, I think I found a leak of mine here.

If you're the BB with, say, a bottom 40% type hand, it's a clear PF check, right? I don't see any value in shoving with anything marginal PF but I could be wrong here.

The flop odds are 4.x:1. BB doesn't have an ace and probably doesn't have a queen. Is there any value to calling this push with something like 95o? I didn't think there was, but if guys like curtains are stop and going any 2, there may be.

[curtains]

Well they fold sometimes, so I feel like stop+going is obviously better than pushing in this precise spot. I remember this everytime they do fold to me, which is a lot more than they should.

[Sykes]

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Well they fold sometimes, so I feel like stop+going is obviously better than pushing in this precise spot. I remember this everytime they do fold to me, which is a lot more than they should.

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Like Never?

Am I wrong to think that pushing in 315 more to try knocking you out is a bad play (with any 2 cards)? Especially on the bubble?