A Post Splitting Suggestion for Elite Players-MLG et al

[BPA234]

I suggest that the board have an "elite" section. Posting rights to this section would be strictly limited to players who have demonstrated consistent, winning play at high buy-ins. Reading rights would be open to all 2+2 members.

I envision high quality posts from all the very best players on 2+2. At the same time, players with less experience will be able to benefit from the deep, meaningful exchanges.

I think this is the solution to the problems discussed in several recent posts by woodguy, MLG and others.

[MLG]

A couple of reactions to this idea. First, I think that the problems posed by establishing a group of posters would impossible to overcome. Honestly, it was decided it wasn't even a good idea to list which players were elite in the FAQ, how would we be able to decide on who was elite enough to post? Secondly any forum like that would undoudbetdly hurt the existing "non-elite" forum. That doesnt seem fair to me. A split wouldnt hurt the existing forum, just make it easier to manage. While I do admit there is something appealing about the idea of having a discussion group limited to top players, i dont think these forums are the right arena for it.

[Sam T.]

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A couple of reactions to this idea. First, I think that the problems posed by establishing a group of posters would impossible to overcome. Honestly, it was decided it wasn't even a good idea to list which players were elite in the FAQ, how would we be able to decide on who was elite enough to post? Secondly any forum like that would undoudbetdly hurt the existing "non-elite" forum. That doesnt seem fair to me. A split wouldnt hurt the existing forum, just make it easier to manage. While I do admit there is something appealing about the idea of having a discussion group limited to top players, i dont think these forums are the right arena for it.

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Perhaps I'm naive, but what if we made it self-selecting? I mean I certainly wouldn't try to get included on the posting list, but I'd read the hell out of a board like this. I think most of this "Elite" know who they are (though most would probably say, "Aw, shucks, ma'am, I'm not that good.") and will act responsibly.

And if, down the road, some donkey decides he's elite based on his single luckbox win in a Party Super Wednesday, we can worry about it then.

[KneeCo]

We already have a forum like this, we just don't show it to non-members because the secrets contained therein, if available to the masses, would cease to make poker profitable for anyone.

I assure you that your vision of high quality, and deep, meaningful insight do not begin to describe the magnitude of what is discussed in this forum.

Amongst other things, we have figured out how to win coinflips in 99.9% of cases, we have mapped out the World Series of Poker through 2018, and, despite claims of the opposite from rival groups, it is in fact we who are solely responsible for the fame of Steve Guttenburg.

[La Brujita]

MLG,

I want a poster of you to put on my wall. How much and can I get it autographed?

I'm not gay (not that there's anything wrong with it) but do you have one in a white tee shirt?

Sincerely,

A Fan

How about if, instead of letting elite players select themselves, every forum member can decide whom they consider elite and make an effort to read posts by those individuals. And maybe we could even set it up so that those who were not elite could still post responses to things that the elite posters write. And, they could make posts of their own, and the elite players might even respond to them!

I, for one, would never self-select as elite, but I know that my small cadre of fanatical readers would be disappointed if I were not a regular contributor in any elite forum!

[ononimo]

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We already have a forum like this, we just don't show it to non-members because the secrets contained therein, if available to the masses, would cease to make poker profitable for anyone.

I assure you that your vision of high quality, and deep, meaningful insight do not begin to describe the magnitude of what is discussed in this forum.

Amongst other things, we have figured out how to win coinflips in 99.9% of cases, we have mapped out the World Series of Poker through 2018, and, despite claims of the opposite from rival groups, it is in fact we who are solely responsible for the fame of Steve Guttenburg.

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yeah, but ... how'd you sneak in? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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I suggest that the board have an "elite" section. Posting rights to this section would be strictly limited to players who have demonstrated consistent, winning play at high buy-ins. Reading rights would be open to all 2+2 members.

I envision high quality posts from all the very best players on 2+2. At the same time, players with less experience will be able to benefit from the deep, meaningful exchanges.

I think this is the solution to the problems discussed in several recent posts by woodguy, MLG and others.

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would other be able to post comments. if not, it may be a little slow on that board since elite is called "elite" for a reason. there are very few elite and those that are, probably have less time to post than we do. just a thought.

[BPA234]

OK. Based on some of the posts, "elite" was probably a bad word choice. I still think the idea bears further consideration. As a response to the valid points you raised please consider the following:

1. Posting rights could be based on documented achievments. For example, a criteria detailing required achievements.

2. This forum would exist within the greater mtt community.

BTW, O.T. People who, on the river fill 2 gut-shots w/in an hour, should finish higher than 6th. lol

[MLG]

well, if I hadn't lost 3 coinflips 2 of which would have given me the chip lead, and 1 of which would have out me in 2nd i would have. and on the first gutshot I actually had 7 outs on the river (as you well know). but yes, on the whole it was a fairly dissapointing result especially given the texture of the final table.

A similar system was put into effect where posters titles were different colors based on their forum status. This created great strife amongst posters and was quickly pulled. I don't see a system like this working in the best interest of the forum. Although it would be very informative and interesting to read it would also place a dividing line amongst the group.

Along these lines, however, something like the digest posts from the ring forums would probably be excellent - where the highest quality posts from the week are linked in a stickied thread so they don't get buried in forum oblivion. Another interesting thing going on over there is the "Curtains hand posts" - where Curtains allows a poster each day to pick through his HH files and pick hands that are interesting to post. Very neat stuff, especially when the hands are being posted by someone other than that player. The hand with the masters posts were great and got a lot of great posters involved, but I'm guessing Lloyd needs more hands sent in so he can pick some real gems to put through this process.

The ring forums are doing a lot of interesting things lately and I think we could probably employ some of their ideas with great success. We've also had a few steps in the right direction of our own and I think we should keep up with them. I don't think an "elite" posting status would be quite as successful or good for the health of the forum.

[ansky451]

I wish people would stop saying [censored] like "elite" posters.

The quality of peoples posts is of a lot more importance than how high they play and if they are friends with some of the 2+2 MTT all-stars.

If the elite want to have a private discussion they can get a [censored] chatroom in aim.

[Exitonly]

Ansky, you gotta get laid. And fast.



But, i agree with you.

[JeanieJ]

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If the elite want to have a private discussion they can get a [censored] chatroom in aim.


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I agree 100%. It turns into a "I'm better than you so you can't post here" type of feel. Not only is it not fair, I'm sure there are plenty of experienced/good players who DON'T post much but still have plenty to offer.

Bad idea.

MOVE ON.

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If the elite want to have a private discussion they can get a [censored] chatroom in aim.


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I agree 100%. It turns into a "I'm better than you so you can't post here" type of feel. Not only is it not fair, I'm sure there are plenty of experienced/good players who DON'T post much but still have plenty to offer.

Bad idea.

MOVE ON.

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what if we split the MTT forum into mid-high (100+ buy in say) and smaller stakes (under 100 obv)?

[Jurollo]

Ok guys. I am locking this and betgo's thread. I will create one central thread for splitting discussion, no need to clog up this very forum that were are complaining has too much noise with even more noise. Perhaps we create a high buyin, low buyin, and splitting forum suggestions forums?

Final Comprehensive Forum Splitting Thread (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=4273263&page=0&vc=#Post4 273263)

~Justin