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ClaytonN

12-23-2005, 07:07 PM

Hand 1: I don't have any reads on the villains in this hand, as I just started 6 tabling. A very good playing friend of mine suggested something different than how I played it. How would you play it?

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Button ($20.05)
SB ($100.70)
BB ($107.15)
UTG ($93.50)
MP ($39.19)
Hero ($96)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50. Hero posts a blind of $1.50.
1 fold, MP raises to $3, Hero (poster) calls $2, 2 folds, BB raises to $8, MP calls $6, Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($28) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB bets $15, MP calls $15, Hero?

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Second hand, I didn't know what else to do. No reads.

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BB ($62.03)
UTG ($67.92)
MP ($59.05)
CO ($29.22)
Button ($92.75)
Hero ($114.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $8.5, BB calls $8, MP calls $6.

Flop: ($27) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $20, BB calls $20, MP calls $20.

Turn: ($87) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players) Hero bets $35, BB calls all-in ($30), MP calls all-in ($33)

xorbie

12-23-2005, 07:18 PM

First hand raise, second hand I dunno, I doubt anyone has 9T or a flush draw so I don't mind checking the flop to see what's up.

ClaytonN

12-23-2005, 07:22 PM

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First hand raise

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how much is the question, I'm not intending to flat call the flop here ever. i'm pretty much giving my money to QQ either way, but how to extract the most out of AA/KK, or a strong queen?

and the second hand is just beyond me, I just felt like checking to see what's up was wrong and let me to play an OOP pot againt a million holdings that could be betting just because they got checked to.

12-23-2005, 08:18 PM

In the first hand, you never should've seen that flop. Calling a raise and re-raise w/ deuces? But since you called w/ 22, why not w/ 222?

The second hand shows the problem w/ AA. They're hard to get off.

Given that it's still a multiway going into the turn, even w/ AA your pot equity isn't good, which is why I would hit the brakes, not bet, and hope for a free card. Same goes for the river.

12-23-2005, 08:24 PM

Sorry to draw attention away from your question, but is hand 1 preflop standard? I really, really don't like it.

Hand 2: I agree with xorbie in that I think I like a flop check here.

12-23-2005, 10:44 PM

Hand 1: I don't see what is wrong with preflop in hand 1. I assumed you called the initial raise because it is right in the middle of the 5/10 rule and you have position. Once there is a reraise, you are getting 3.5 to 1 with enormous implied odds. He reraised from the blinds which normally means JJ+, AK, AQ.
I would raise to 40 on the flop. AK is dropping no matter what you raise. You are losing your stack to QQ no matter what you rasie also. I think 40 is an amount that can be called by AA, KK, and AQ without setting serious warning bells off. There aren't really any draws you should be worried about.

If called, I would bet about 3/5 pot on turn.

Hand 2: I would probably play it the same way, but I don't know what is optimal. I guess checking the flop is a possible line, but that could create some really tough decisions when 77 or something tries to take the pot away from you.