PS $22 - JJ, flopped set, A on board with flush draw

Couple questions about this one:

- Like the pot-sized flop bet?
- Turn check deceptive or FPS?
- Size of the river bet? Worried about flush?

Holla.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t1700)
BB (t1020)
UTG (t1580)
UTG+1 (t1400)
MP1 (t1400)
Hero (t1470)
MP3 (t1410)
CO (t1460)
Button (t2060)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t20, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, MP1 calls t80.

Flop: (t230) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t230</font>, MP1 calls t230.

Turn: (t690) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

River: (t690) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t345</font>

[45suited]

I hate the turn check, push your money in man. There's how many draws out there????

He could be on a flush draw, straight draw, have two pair, etc etc. If he likes his hand, stack him.

[bluefeet]

I bet just a little less on the flop...180-200ish - I don't mind an Ace, or even a FD paying to see the turn. I'm puzzled a bit as to why you slowed down on the turn. QT doesn't necessarily fit calling your PF riase, or chasing the gut-shot turn on the flop call. I'm hitting him again hard on the turn here. I'm assuming you weren't giving a free river to a FD for the purpose of having him bluff bet the river.

[45suited]

Why is it that so many people like to raise as a bluff / semi-bluff but yet find it so difficult to actually bet / raise with the best hand?

It's a 22, get value from your great hands. You'll get a call of a nice size turn bet. Personally, I'm pushing the turn.

What was going through my mind on the turn was that a flush draw probably wouldn't call 100% pot bet (which is midly dubious logic), and that if he had AK I could extract a lot of value by making myself seem less strong on the turn.

Does that make any sense? In hindsight, it makes a lot less sense than while I was doing it.

[microbet]

Checking the turn is tragic.

I'm seeing that more now, but am still curious as to what besides AKs and (maybe) AQs calls a 5xBB pf raise and a 100% pot-sized bet on the flop? Or am I giving too much credit to the play at 22s?

[microbet]

I don't like to think of it as giving credit or not because I don't particularly feel like a big genius when I raise a big PP preflop, flop all undercards, and then lose all my money to someone with 79 who hits 2-pair.

But, yes, people in the $22s are not that tight. 2/3 of the people in the $109s are not that tight.

right i defintiely didn't mean my question to have any kind of authoritiative tone, as i just started playing 22s... oh let's see..... 6 days ago.

but understanding calling ranges is something i'm really trying to work on in my game. this has all been very helpful. thanks as always.

[durron597]

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Checking the turn is tragic.

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Don't take this the wrong way, but this is one of the worst turn checks I have ever seen.

[Pokey]

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- Like the pot-sized flop bet?

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Yes, very nice. Don't give the flush draw outs.

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- Turn check deceptive or FPS?

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Awful. You're facing a board with straight draws, TWO flush draws, and possible overpairs; push like you're giving birth.

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- Size of the river bet? Worried about flush?

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Given the turn, I'd check down the river. MP1 looks like he's going to fold, but he's going to fold a second-best hand. Besides, how do you respond to a check-raise here? If nothing else, you throw up a little bit in your mouth. Avoid the vomit-taste and just check it down.

Of course, if you'd bet the turn it wouldn't matter.

[RobGW]

This does not make sense. If villian has a flush draw you should bet big to make him pay to chase. Believe me, the majority of $22 players will call for all their chips, most of them will definately call a pot sized bet. And if they fold, oh well you take down the pot. Giving them a free card is awful. Also, if villian had AK you'd see a raise either PF or on the flop. If somehow he does have AK or any A for that matter, he will call a turn and river bet. People don't call raises PF and hit their A and then fold. Get the money in while you can.