$55: Turned a set but facing a 3/4pot bet and 3 opponents

[AA suited]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

MP3 (t990)
CO (t915)
HERO (t975)
SB (t985)
BB (t985)
UTG (t1170)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t1000)
MP1 (t980)
MP2 (t1000)

Preflop: HERO is Button with 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
MP3 calls t15, CO raises to t45</font>, HERO calls t45, BB calls t30, MP3 calls t30.

Flop: (t187.50) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, HERO checks.

Turn: (t187.50) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif [color=#0000FF](4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP3 checks, CO bets t150</font>, HERO ??? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

No reads.

what's the standard line in this situation, and why?

[pineapple888]

Insta-push.

[pineapple888]

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Insta-push.

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Why? Cause you have the best hand but draws are out there but one or more of the donks might come along.

[lastchance]

Letting a free card get off on that board with a set is dumb. Folding a set on the turn is "Tommy-Reed" like, and you don't want to go there.

Considering pot size, yeah, I shove this.

[pergesu]

Yeah, you gotta push this. You probably get everyone to fold, because CO can be betting any two to steal there after all the weakness. Though I don't think that's particularly likely with the draws.

Anyway yeah, when you're called it's usually by an 8 or just a flush draw. You're like never ever behind.

[pineapple888]

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Folding a set on the turn is "Tommy-Reed" like

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WooT?

[pergesu]

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Anyway yeah, when you're called it's usually by an 8 or just a flush draw. You're like never ever behind.

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I'll elaborate a bit on that I guess..nobody with a bigger set is checking it twice, that'd be retarded. They need to protect their hand as well as try to get some value from draws. Same goes for a flopped straight...though a bit less so since it's only afraid of one draw. Thus the only player who could conceivably have a better hand than you is CO...but you can't be scared of oversets or straights, you'll end up laying down the best hand way more often than not.

[pineapple888]

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Anyway yeah, when you're called it's usually by an 8 or just a flush draw. You're like never ever behind.

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I'll elaborate a bit on that I guess..nobody with a bigger set is checking it twice, that'd be retarded. They need to protect their hand as well as try to get some value from draws. Same goes for a flopped straight...though a bit less so since it's only afraid of one draw. Thus the only player who could conceivably have a better hand than you is CO...but you can't be scared of oversets or straights, you'll end up laying down the best hand way more often than not.

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WooT?

I guess I'm retarted tonight...

[z32fanatic]

I would probably make it 450, then push the river. If a scare card falls and he pushes the river I'm calling. I know 450 makes it obvious we have a hand, but they call anyway.

[AA suited]

i min raised to 300. i wanted to string the co along for some more chips. but now that i think of it, if he was on a draw (straight/flush), i'm not pricing him out. (Mental note: always protect my hand.)

mp3 calls it, and co calls. ok, mp3 worries me.

river = red 8, so if someone had the 6 or J, they just made their gut shot.

mp3 bets out 100chips. co folds. oh boy... i'm thinking flopped straight and he's value betting since i'll be too scared to bet with 4 cards to a straight on the table.

but for 100 chips into this huge pot i call, and he turns over 7J clubs. ARRGGG... this idiot check/cold called a raise to a 3/4pot bet with bottom pair and a gut shot?! sigh.. made a note on him, and moved on...

[yvesaint]

if youre going to raise, dont make it 300. i like making it 400-500 and getting the rest in on the river. mini-raising is terrible yo

minraising is almost as bad as chasing a gut-shot. gotta protect your hand here.