Cold-Cards

Why does it seem like I can never get a good starting hand? Does anybody else ever have this problem?


I played in a MSNG tonight, took 14/45, but I played only 10 hands out of about 50...that isn't good!

[JeanieJ]

Varience, deal with it.

[gobboboy]

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Varience, deal with it.

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Does it really follow you everywhere you go?

[JeanieJ]

Yeah actually it does. You're running bad. You know it. How long will it go on? Who knows? It's one of those things that could go on for a very, very, very, very, very, very, very very very long time.

As players we have to learn to deal with it. Truthfully it breaks most players.

Oh yeah, Merry Xmas /images/graemlins/smile.gif

-Jeanie
xo*Kisses*xo

[yvesaint]

how many tournaments have you played

thats what i thought

Just doesn't seem right, getting a bunch of crap cards no matter what site I play on.

[JeanieJ]

Varience has nothing to do with WHERE you play.

Why is it losing players always think it's the site's fault?

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how many tournaments have you played

thats what i thought

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How many do you suggest I play before I think I'm not getting any good cards?

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Varience has nothing to do with WHERE you play.

Why is it losing players always think it's the site's fault?

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I don't blame it on the site. I just wonder why it keeps happening?

[JeanieJ]

200 or more how many do you have 5? 6?

[JeanieJ]

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I don't blame it on the site. I just wonder why it keeps happening?

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It happens to every player. It's a part of the game.

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200 or more how many do you have 5? 6?

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I'm around the 20's. I barely cash in on any of them.

[yvesaint]

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how many tournaments have you played

thats what i thought

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How many do you suggest I play before I think I'm not getting any good cards?

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are you serious, do you really think that you specifically are "not getting good cards"

because if so: haha

No need to be grumpy!

Oh yeah, Merry Christmas! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Your mind plays tricks on you when it happens over and over and over and over again.

[yvesaint]

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Your mind plays tricks on you when it happens over and over and over and over again.

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20-30 MTTs is not over and over again its not even a single over again

Haha, well it seems like it to me.

I had one recently 45 player Stars MSNG, I finished 3rd. I was getting great cards. I probably got KQ about 5 times within 20 hands. But other than that, it's been a struggle.

[yvesaint]

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Haha, well it seems like it to me.

I had one recently 45 player Stars MSNG, I finished 3rd. I was getting great cards. I probably got KQ about 5 times within 20 hands. But other than that, it's been a struggle.

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ok, i have to admit, this post made me smile and think to myself "hey this is kinda cute"

Should I ask why?

[JeanieJ]

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I'm around the 20's. I barely cash in on any of them.

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A good player knows varience when he/she sees it. A bad player calls it cold cards and doesn't bother to fix his leaks.

You're probably not doing something right. You probably don't have much experience to know when you're hitting a patch of varience. Which also means your game isn't probably all that great. Time to study, learn, practice and stop whining about cold cards.

Instead of whining take action. Otherwise, you're just wasting time.

[JeanieJ]

Yeah why. KQ is the nuts preflop. DUH. /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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I'm around the 20's. I barely cash in on any of them.

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A good player knows varience when he/she sees it. A bad player calls it cold cards and doesn't bother to fix his leaks.

You're probably not doing something right. You probably don't have much experience to know when you're hitting a patch of varience. Which also means your game isn't probably all that great. Time to study, learn, practice and stop whining about cold cards.

Instead of whining take action. Otherwise, you're just wasting time.

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Thanks for speaking more. I can't say I'm a terrible player, but I'm not great either. But I do feel like something isn't going right. Maybe I am a bad player.

So what is your suggestion on taking action within variance?

[JeanieJ]

I'm not saying you're getting cold cards but it probably wouldn't hurt you to learn a bit more about the game. Starting hands, what position to play them in. How to read players, betting patterns etc etc etc. Basically study the game more.

There are always people in life who blame others for their own faults. Poker has a lot of those people. They blame the sites, the cards, the opponents, the day of the week, what they ate for lunch! Anything, as long as it's not their fault. You can already say you probably aren't a "great" player. Good start. Go from there. Read a few forums, read a few books, learn all you can about the game. You'll probably see a huge difference in what you call "cold cards". It's likely you'll find it wasn't the cards at all.

Jeanie
xo*Kisses*xo @ Stars

I have read a few, I am reading a few, and I will be reading a few more after Christmas.

I just went to a real casino tonight and won 80$. Then I come here and can't buy a set (or a high card).
I don't know, I was just thinking , I'm not as patient on my computer than I am in a casino. I think it's the atmosphere....

[JeanieJ]

Well you're a recreational player. If you like playing at a casino, then play at a casino.

I'm trying to go beyond that. I play online almost 24 hours a day. If I'm not doing anything else, I'm playing poker on my computer. The casino is an hour away so it's not always convenient to drive there.

http://www.ncaabbs.com/funnies/general/roomcare.jpg

Yeah I don't care about that guy either. What is the point?

nh

always good to start a workingday with a topic like this /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I played in a MSNG tonight, took 14/45, but I played only 10 hands out of about 50...that isn't good!

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That's 20% which is fine. I usually play less hands than that.

Yeah. I play less than 20% as well.

With poker you're not guaranteed to get good hands. Actually at any time the odds are in favor of your next hand being complete crap.

If you think you're getting bad cards, then figure out what the odds are of getting a good hand. Then try keeping notes. I'm sure you'll find that you're getting pretty much the hands you should expect over time.

For instance if you think TT+, AJ+ and KQ are good hands, then on average you should get 1 good hand in 14 hands. That means you should play 7 hands out of 100. That's way less than the 20% you play now.

[tshak]

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That's 20% which is fine. I usually play less hands than that.

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Seems fine to me too. When I'm "cold decked" in a given tournament I'm usually playing ~13% of my hands. Normally closer to 20%.

[ansky451]

I have officially casted my vote for post of the year.

[IgorSmiles]

Variance is a myth. Online poker is rigged and the cards are out to get me!

[Bigdaddydvo]

HA HA HA.

With all the high PPs and AKs I've been getting, I figured SOMEONE out there had to be getting screwed. Turned out it was you!

[Sam T.]

On-line poker is a giant set-up intended to make the rest of us rich by bankrupting you $20 at a time.

Someone want to lock this thing?

[winky51]

There arent that many to get and probably other players seem like they are playing more because they are playing looser. You need to think about times when you can steal blinds and make some extra cash.

Also so what if you only played 10 hands. If they win you the money thats good. I have had tournaments where I played 4 hands to get to final 3. single table of course. Then I opened my game.

Don't worry about it. Basic rule is that if you dont play it in limit dont play it in no limit. I was once like you very very anally tight. You will figure out what works and what does eventually and play more hands. I mostly steal.

My general play is to play tighter early and looser later when its on the bubble.

You may just be a [gasp] losing player. If you've played 20-30 SNG games up to this point and have only cashed in one of them this may be the case. It's hard to say for certain without a larger sample.

What books have you read and what do you plan to read? Do you feel you have any strong points to your game? Anything you know you need to work on?

It's good to figure out where you stand and analyze your own play. Try to figure out where your leaks are and plug them. I know from your previous posts that you have PT - go through your hand histories in the replayer and analyze your own play.

I notice you've made a lot of hand posts in the SSSH forum but nothing here yet. Any reason why?

[nath]

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There arent that many to get and probably other players seem like they are playing more because they are playing looser.

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Yeah, poker tracker tells me I play over 30% of hands. But then I'm a well known donkey fish.

My suggestion is: early on, try to get into multiway pots cheap with good drawing hands, and push your good hands hard because there are enough donkeys around who will be eager to pay you off. As the tournament progresses, and the blinds are bigger part of your stack (especially if there are antes), open up and look for spots to steal pots preflop. Basically play the opposite of how your table is playing.

Also, get a better luckbox.

[Copernicus]

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You may just be a [gasp] losing player. If you've played 20-30 SNG games up to this point and have only cashed in one of them this may be the case.

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Take out the maybe. If these are single table SnGs 20-30 without 1 cash is statistically signficant, when the expected number of cashes is 8 or 9.

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You may just be a [gasp] losing player. If you've played 20-30 SNG games up to this point and have only cashed in one of them this may be the case. It's hard to say for certain without a larger sample.

What books have you read and what do you plan to read? Do you feel you have any strong points to your game? Anything you know you need to work on?

It's good to figure out where you stand and analyze your own play. Try to figure out where your leaks are and plug them. I know from your previous posts that you have PT - go through your hand histories in the replayer and analyze your own play.

I notice you've made a lot of hand posts in the SSSH forum but nothing here yet. Any reason why?

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I have cashed in more than just that one. In fact, for awhile, when I was playing SNG (single table), I was winning 3-4 at a time. That was when I was trying to find a Poker home and so my account was still draining anyways.

Books I have read: Some Ken Warren book that I didn't like too much, Getting Started in Hold Em, Small Stakes Hold Em (reading for the 2nd time), the Psychology of Poker (current).

Plan to read: Hold Em for Advanced Players, the Theory of Poker, Harrington 1 and 2 (after christmas).

And to all the guys who wrote to this post just because they felt it was necessary to bash me in some way, thanks.

But I'm glad to see there were some people who took the time to make it seem like I wasn't the only one. It's frustrating sometimes, but I realized last night that I might be a little too impatient when I'm sitting here at my computer.

After I wrote this post, I tightened up big time on the 2/4 Fixed Limit table and ended up leaving the table with a profit.

Hand posts on SSSH - I was getting help from a friend for awhile and he was having me post on there. That didn't work out and I don't think that short-handed is my type of game. I haven't posted any hands on here yet because I don't know how much I get out of posting my hands. But I will when I feel that I need help on something.

[LearnedfromTV]

Why does this thread have 41 replies?

42. I am a part of the problem.

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Why does this thread have 41 replies?

42. I am a part of the problem.

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You're part of the problem of responding to this and not having anything important to say.

hee haw

[LearnedfromTV]

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Why does this thread have 41 replies?

42. I am a part of the problem.

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You're part of the problem of responding to this and not having anything important to say.

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I click on MTT, see a thread with 40+ replies and wonder what insightful OP might have inspired such a thing. Open it up and find

"Why does it seem like I can never get a good starting hand? Does anybody else ever have this problem?
I played in a MSNG tonight, took 14/45, but I played only 10 hands out of about 50...that isn't good!"

and my first reaction is supposed to be to read the thread and find a way to contribute?

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Why does this thread have 41 replies?

42. I am a part of the problem.

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You're part of the problem of responding to this and not having anything important to say.

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I click on MTT, see a thread with 40+ replies and wonder what insightful OP might have inspired such a thing. Open it up and find

"Why does it seem like I can never get a good starting hand? Does anybody else ever have this problem?
I played in a MSNG tonight, took 14/45, but I played only 10 hands out of about 50...that isn't good!"

and my first reaction is supposed to be to read the thread and find a way to contribute?

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Or not say anything at all? ---you forgot that one.

[Snarf]

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I was getting great cards. I probably got KQ about 5 times within 20 hands.

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I think I found the problem.

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I was getting great cards. I probably got KQ about 5 times within 20 hands.

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I think I found the problem.

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I'm done with this thread.

[ansky451]

I really don't understand what your problem is.

I'm sorry that you feel that way. Some people on this forum are harsh, but you can still read into their comments and find some meaning in them.

What most of the posters here are saying is that your game appears to be severely flawed on many different levels. I've looked through some of your posts from SSSH. Most of the things you need to work on are the basic fundamentals that can only be learned through study and practice. We can't, and actually won't, impart all of that knowoledge on you here, especially when so many authors have created great works that do that already. I highly recommend reading HOH1&2, TOP, and TPFAP and trying to apply the principles that the authors teach. If you have questions regarding those principles or how they might be applied, pick a hand where you think that principle comes into play and post it.

I agree that some people could say these things in a nicer manner, but this is the internet and that type of behavior is common on internet forums. It sucks, but that's the way it is - not just here on 2+2 but on almost every forum out there. Some people get impatient due to this information being in the FAQ. To be honest, having to type this type of stuff for every person that posts a thread like this would get rather old.

[ansky451]

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highly recommend reading HOH1&2, TOP , and TPFAP and trying to apply the principles that the authors teach.

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I strongly agree with reading theory of poker. The op has shown a basic lack of understanding of poker theory. Sounds harsh, but its true. I know that TOP made a world of difference when i was still in the early stages.

[JustPlayingSmart]

Dude, I totally know what you mean. I have been writing down all my hands lately, and I'm getting AA once out of every 179 hands, and it's even worse for KK. I get it once ever 198 hands. I feel like I never get anything good.

When I hear about other people going through what I do, I feel a little better, but it does make me begin to believe in some of the luckbox talk.

I'm picturing you with a notebook filled with pages and pages of notations. Do you keep track of suits too? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[JustPlayingSmart]

I don't keep track of suits. I have 1 column for each hand (AA, AK, AKs) and I make little tickmarks. When I reach 50 for a given hand, I make a new box for it. The notebook is filled up through 80 pages or so. That represents 42,000 hands.

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Dude, I totally know what you mean. I have been writing down all my hands lately, and I'm getting AA once out of every 179 hands, and it's even worse for KK. I get it once ever 198 hands. I feel like I never get anything good.

When I hear about other people going through what I do, I feel a little better, but it does make me begin to believe in some of the luckbox talk.

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Um, getting either one of these hands is exactly 220:1 against. I'd say you're doing fine in this department.

Hah, and to think, I was trying to make a joke /images/graemlins/wink.gif

I admire your dedication... or neurosis, either way!

[ansky451]

JPS is making a joke. I think/hope.

I certainly hope so...

[mikeymer]

how could you read so many books on poker and not have the slightest clue?