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Eeegah

12-22-2005, 11:54 PM

But I'm mulling over a small downswing so I better make sure I'm not tilting or whatever. Villain's a sLAP--29/8/1.19 after some 70-odd hands. He's not terrible but not great either--rather loose with the PF cold calls, not that it matters for this hand. I've seen him limp ATo and KQo before FWIW.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 5 folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero...

Okay, so what's this raising a brick crap? A set of Queens, AQo or even a set of 7s are possible as a slowplay, or I could have him dominated. We 3-bettin' this?

12-23-2005, 12:00 AM

Not me. He's raising fully aware that you've a hand. He's crazy to think you'll fold. I call and bet a club free river.

moose47

12-23-2005, 12:00 AM

If the 2 helped him then we are behind so I am calling here and check/calling the river unimproved. We are not ahead often enough to 3-bet this IMO.

Eeegah

12-23-2005, 12:02 AM

Ooh, this one's even better. Villain is similar to the last one, but much more aggro postflop--25/15/2.20. I have every reason to believe he'd go for an open raise with whatever he's got.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
5 folds, MP3 raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, MP3 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Too agro here?

Edit: oh yeah forgot to add, villain bought in for $265.50 so at least he's one tabling and paying attention OH YEAH HOW'S THAT FOR A READ

medaugh

12-23-2005, 12:04 AM

I'm on the downside also so I think I just call then check/call river. But sometimes I think I'm a candy*** too.

jaxUp

12-23-2005, 12:04 AM

hand1: call down and get ready to see AQ a lot.

_Kevin_

12-23-2005, 12:05 AM

Grunch.

I'm not 3 betting here. It looks like a slowplayed AQ to me. He's only sLAP so he isn't raising pure trash in EP and I don't see him raising here as a bluff, I'd guess top pair or better (and probably better). I think the better question is call down or fold as opposed to 3 bet. The call down is offering us 9.75:2 (accounting for rake and assuming he bets the river). We need to be good just over 20% of the time to make it the right play. I think it's close but I'll call down without a better read.

Vote4Pedro

12-23-2005, 12:18 AM

3betting sucks

Vote4Pedro

12-23-2005, 12:23 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Edit: oh yeah forgot to add, villain bought in for $265.50 so at least he's one tabling and paying attention OH YEAH HOW'S THAT FOR A READ

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Do you run background checks on all of your opponents?

As for the hand...I wouldnt wanna play A9o out of position against an aggro villian, fold preflop. I'd also bet/call the river...calling someones 3bet after you checkraised is almost never acceptable

Eeegah

12-23-2005, 12:24 AM

^^^^^^
Hey buying in at a .50/1 table with 260+BB is a little unusual okay also farm school

This session is just full of interesting hands. Villain here is TA, but I don't have much for stats on him.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP2 raises, 3 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, SB folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero...

Well so much for the turn bet/fold. Uh, what now? What do we think this guy's got?

Vote4Pedro

12-23-2005, 12:28 AM

The only interesting thing about this hand is your ridiculous flop bet...keep them coming

Eeegah

12-23-2005, 12:30 AM

What's wrong with the flop bet /images/graemlins/mad.gif

Vote4Pedro

12-23-2005, 12:57 AM

Your hand is practically unbeatable...

Do you want him to get off easy with a hand like KK-JJ?
Do you want to force the SB out of the hand(if the PFR raises)?

12-23-2005, 01:55 AM

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Your hand is practically unbeatable...

Do you want him to get off easy with a hand like KK-JJ?
Do you want to force the SB out of the hand(if the PFR raises)?

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You're advocating slowplaying trips with an ace already out ??

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Augster

12-23-2005, 02:31 AM

Grunch.

What hands does an 8% raiser raise in EP that he DOESN'T cap with pre-flop? (unless he's being tricky)

KQ, AQ, AJ, ATs, TT, 99, 88, 77. That may be fair I would guess. I know I cap, most often, AK, AA, KK, QQ, JJ. (And if he's being tricky, you can add these into the mix)

Given that thought, what would a 1.19 AF wait until the turn to raise? A set or 2-pair I would guess. I would think he had AQ if I was to guess specifically.

Sadly, if there was a 3rd player in, I'm 3-betting that turn. Being I'm putting in 1/2 the money, and I'm not sure at this point I'm going to win 1/2 the time, I'm just calling down. WA/WB.

Augster

12-23-2005, 02:40 AM

Grunch again.

Wow, this second hand is brutal, to me at least.

3-bet from the SB? Wow.

I prefer this line myself,

MP3 raises, Hero folds.

Or this one:

MP3 raises, hero call, BB calls.

Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 bets, Hero folds.

In the first, I lose 1/2 SB, in the second, I lose 2 SB.

The small blind sucks because it costs you 1 1/2 to call a raise, AND you are totally out of position, even to the damn BB.

The way you played it, with that flop, I check/call, check/call, bet.

Eeegah

12-23-2005, 02:40 AM

Okay, here's the playout for the first hand.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 5 folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ad Kc (one pair, aces).
UTG+1 has 9h Ah (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.25 BB. 

I see now that my turn 3-bet was bad mojo, but oh well. Villain's play is...interesting to say the least--I don't hate the PFR since we're 8 handed at any rate.

Augster

12-23-2005, 02:53 AM

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What's wrong with the flop bet /images/graemlins/mad.gif

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The pre-flop aggressor was on your left and is a TAG and did any ISO-raise that pretty much worked. This is a PERFECT time for a check-raise. Why are we trying to force out the SB?

Hero Checks, MP2 bets, SB calls, Hero RAISES, MP2 Calls, SB calls.

Then the worst card in the world falls and it's time to bet/call, check/call. Most likely though, I'd have him on an ace, so I'd check/call, check/call and see if I can show down a winner or not.

With your straight bet-out into the preflop raiser, you give him too much incentive to get away from his hand because the pot is still small. Like it was said before, if he ISO-raised with KK, QQ, or JJ, your donkbet is telling him either, I limped an ace, or I'm repping the Ten and not afraid of your ace. KK, QQ, and JJ (Or any other pair for that matter) don't even have close to the odds to call your donkbet.

Sure you slow down AK, AQ and AJ with your check-raise, but hopefully you get SB to put in 2 bets that way. If he even puts in one, it's fine.

shant

12-23-2005, 04:28 AM

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River: (8.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, Hero calls.

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If you're gonna checkraise you need to fold to the 3-bet.