Curtains hand #3

[rbear]

NL Texas Hold'em $200 Buy-in + $15 Entry Fee Trny:18483980 Level:5
Blinds(75/150) - Wednesday, December 21, 20:08:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 66906 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: SB ( $895 )
Seat 2: BB ( $1350 )
Seat 4: UTG ( $1660 )
Seat 5: UTG+1 ( $1372 )
Seat 6: curtainz ( $640 )
Seat 7: MP ( $630 )
Seat 8: CO+1 ( $705 )
Seat 9: CO ( $1460 )
Seat 10: Button ( $1288 )
Level:5
Blinds(75/150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to curtainz [ 8s Js ]
>You have options at Table 70022 Table!.
2 folds.
>You have options at Table 69557 Table!.
curtainz is all-In [640]

Extremely card dead at this point. So....
I'm aware of the need to maintain FE. Is this standard for most people? Personally, I'd rather push any K or any Q UTG. I know that's far from guaranteed here, so do most people push here?

[pineapple888]

With less than 5BB and nine players left, I have to open push anything remotely reasonable. J8s certainly qualifies.

[bluef0x]

You aren't guranteed a K or Q the next hand... and J8s stands a better chance vs this many opponents than something like K4o.

[tigerite]

This is a pretty easy push.

[fluorescenthippo]

this is one of the few curtains hands i have fully understood in less than .0035 seconds. standard push here

[curtains]

Well this hand is kind of funny because it comes on the shoulders of a very similar hand where I had J7o and failed to push. In that case I was in an earlier position and my hand wasn't suited, yet it was still somewhat close, thus this hand is a no brainer.

[rbear]

I'm pretty sure this is a leak in my game, so I'm really wondering what the range is here. Do you push any 10 in this spot? Suited connectors? Mid-connectors? I push any 2 UTG for FE sometimes, maybe it's a leak letting it get to that point.

I'm the same. I didn't realise something like this was standard at all..

[Mr_J]

J8s would hold up better against peoples calling ranges.

[tigerite]

Actually it's a bit closer than I thought after doing the maths, but the ranges have to be somewhere between 12 and 17% ish for all, which is probably close enough to shove it.

[tigerite]

[ QUOTE ]
I push any 2 UTG for FE sometimes, maybe it's a leak letting it get to that point.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ugh, pushing any two UTG for FE is far, far worse than this, and far more of a leak as well!

[curtains]

I dont push any 2 v often in such situations.

[microbet]

I don't think Curtains and Tigerite mean that letting it get to that point is necessarily the problem. Pushing junk into 7 people isn't often good. Sometimes you just have to wait and take the BB.

As far as this hand goes I think J8s is ok, but certainly not much worse. If you had to let this go, and got junk UTG, then I think you just have to let that go too.

[ilya]

I like this push, J8s is actually pretty solid against likely calling ranges.