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xJMPx
12-22-2005, 06:22 PM
No read on the BB.

PartyPoker - NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Tournament | Level: 4 - 8 players (Converter: PGC (http://client.pokergrader.com))

Chip Counts:
Button: 860 Chips
<font color="red">Hero: 1395 Chips</font>
BB: 1015 Chips
UTG: 695 Chips
UTG+1: 710 Chips
MP1: 1520 Chips
MP2: 790 Chips
CO: 1015 Chips

Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif
Blinds are 50/100

PreFlop
<font color="blue">UTG folds</font>, <font color="blue">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="blue">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="blue">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="blue">CO folds</font>, <font color="blue">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero ????</font>…
12-22-2005, 06:24 PM
Raise 300. I'd fold to a push.
12-22-2005, 06:26 PM
Make it 300 or 400.
12-22-2005, 06:29 PM
The problem with making it 400 is that you might as well push all-in.. Odds are too good to fold is he pushes at that point.
12-22-2005, 06:31 PM
Ok, good point.

Thanks
pineapple888
12-22-2005, 06:34 PM
If I'm reading this right, he has 10BB so that's your effective stack. Push.
12-22-2005, 06:34 PM
WIth 8 players left, the gap between your push and his call is too narrow. 3x BB, then fold to a push.
xJMPx
12-22-2005, 06:39 PM
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WIth 8 players left, the gap between your push and his call is too narrow.

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Huh?
FlyWf
12-22-2005, 06:42 PM
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WIth 8 players left, the gap between your push and his call is too narrow. 3x BB, then fold to a push.

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You put 1/4 of your stack in then you fold getting 1.4:1? I don't like that very much at all. Pushing and folding are both reasonable options.
12-22-2005, 06:43 PM
He is saying that they are not close to the money, so he could call with worse hands than he would if they were fighting for 3rd.
bluef0x
12-22-2005, 06:47 PM
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He is saying that they are not close to the money, so he could call with worse hands than he would if they were fighting for 3rd.

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How exactly would this be bad? You have A9- if he calls with total crap you will be ahead.

BTW- I push this at 90% of the low stakes tables.
12-22-2005, 06:52 PM
I admit, I am new to all EV calculations and stuff. And since I am a noob, i expect to be flamed for a while...however from what I have learned, when 8 remain, your pushing range is less, and his calling range is more. I think you should still be in survival mode at this point. If you want to steal, do not committ your life. I may be wrong, but that is why I love this site..Im learning every day. THanks
12-22-2005, 06:59 PM
Can someone tell me if this is right, or do I need to review my EastLake turorial and sngpt again.......?
bluef0x
12-22-2005, 07:03 PM
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Can someone tell me if this is right, or do I need to review my EastLake turorial and sngpt again.......?

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There are a lot of factors to consider. Here- you have a strong hand, only 13BB, and are up against only one player. You aren't in wonderful shape where you can just pass on this. Run it through SnGPT, pretty sure its +EV.

BTW- what's the EastLake tutorial?
12-22-2005, 07:04 PM
No no.. he isn't saying that he will call with total crap.. He is saying the gap between PUSH and CALL is small at this point.
12-22-2005, 07:15 PM
eastbay, sorry, I live in a community called eastlake..just came through when I typed.

Under the help menu in SnGpt, there are tuts and overviews on how to use the application as well as general ideas of blind stealing and the gap. Again forgive my lameness
xJMPx
12-22-2005, 07:22 PM
I ran it through SNGPT after I posted it, there is not a range he can be calling with here that would make this -EV.
The Yugoslavian
12-22-2005, 07:27 PM
mgross,

Raise to 300 and then fold?!?!?!

OP,
Okay, you should just push this preflop. This isn't a &gt; 10xBB situation since you're only putting ~10xBB at risk. Besides the fact that in a blinds battle A9o is likely to be a decent push even with 13 or 14xBB if you decide to do so.

I can see merit in just calling....but if I'm raising here it's clearly allin.

Yugoslav
12-22-2005, 07:27 PM
Thanks, I still am learning these calculations.
tigerite
12-22-2005, 07:49 PM
The EFFECTIVE stack is still 10BB, and thus this is still a push!
tigerite
12-22-2005, 07:49 PM
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Raise 300. I'd fold to a push.

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Wow, that would be terrible.
pineapple888
12-22-2005, 08:08 PM
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The EFFECTIVE stack is still 10BB, and thus this is still a push!

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Damn. Wish I'd thought of that. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
xJMPx
12-22-2005, 08:51 PM
Ok, well I decided to raise it up to 300 and the BB didn't cooperate. But, I figured at least some of the time he's on a complete re-steal here and if not my hand still has some showdown value. So, with on 700 to call to win 1300 I called.

PartyPoker - NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Tournament | Level: 4 - 8 players (Converter: PGC (http://client.pokergrader.com))

Chip Counts:
Button: 860 Chips
<font color="red">Hero: 1395 Chips</font>
BB: 1015 Chips
UTG: 695 Chips
UTG+1: 710 Chips
MP1: 1520 Chips
MP2: 790 Chips
CO: 1015 Chips

Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif
Blinds are 50/100

PreFlop
<font color="blue">UTG folds</font>, <font color="blue">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="blue">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="blue">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="blue">CO folds</font>, <font color="blue">Button folds</font>
<font color="red">Hero RAISES ($250)</font>, BB is All-In
<font color="green">Hero Calls</font>

(2 players) FLOP: 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif ( Pot Size: 2030 Chips )


(2 players) TURN: Q/images/graemlins/club.gif ( Pot Size: 2030 Chips )


(2 players) RIVER: J/images/graemlins/club.gif ( Pot Size: 2030 Chips )


Final Pot:2030 Chips

Hero shows:Ad9s,two pairs, queens and nines
BB shows:Jd2h,two pairs, queens and jacks