Straight Flush draw (heavy flop action)

[MobbDeep]

MP3 is 22.65/7.42/4.06 over 3800 hands
BB is 25.87/2.10/1.78 over 280 hands

Forget about my weird betting, it's just to mix it up.

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CO ($50.70)
Button ($49.10)
SB ($21.20)
BB ($34.95)
Hero ($98.50)
UTG+1 ($56.45)
MP1 ($53.60)
MP2 ($43.10)
MP3 ($57.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, UTG+1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB (poster) calls $0.75, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($5) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $8</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $20</font> ?

[beavens]

with multiway OESD+flush draws = push, right?

[Hoopster81]

Yeah, I think so

Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing 9s 8s 6c
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qs Js 291 32.23 612 67.77 0 0.00 0.322
8c 8h 312 34.55 591 65.45 0 0.00 0.346
7c Th 300 33.22 603 66.78 0 0.00 0.332

[stealyourface]

i think you should pot the flop.

[beavens]

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i think you should pot the flop.

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agreed.

how about as played?

Let's rewind this to the top. I wouldn't have raised UTG preflop with QJ but is that too weak/tight?

Also I feel that somebody at least hit two pair/set here. And the other guy could be on the nut flush draw. I don't like this situation at all. You could only have the 10 spades as your out. There are 5 people on the hand.

I pot the flop and if I get a lot of resistance I'm gone.

I fold PF.

Looks like a set/straight from one of the people, got to fold.

The more and more I think about this I absolutely hate the push. How can we be sure a spade is good if it's not the 10 of spades? We could be at one out here. At best we probably have 9 outs. Possibly the 9 plus the remaining 10s in the case that another spade doesn't come out.

For instance if the turn is the 10 hearts and the river the 2 of spades how confident are we?

[Finite_Risk]

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with multiway OESD+flush draws = push, right?

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usually, but this is NOT an OESD

I like having the top end of the draw, but he has a gutshot and a non-nut flush draw

I'd be way more hesitant to just chuck my stack in here

I hope someone else didnt have a bigger spade draw. You are most likely up against a set in one spot and either a flopped straight or a OESD+flush draw (something like A/images/graemlins/spade.gif7 /images/graemlins/spade.gif) I would fold since your draw may not be as good as you think. You may be drawing to as little as 4 outs. Fold this given the flop action and wait for a better spot.

[MobbDeep]

I didn't play my A game cause of a bad beat earlier, so I just pushed it allin and both called.
Turn was a 2 of spades and river was a 2 of hearts.
Lucky me MP3 showed me 98 and BB 86.

[beavens]

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with multiway OESD+flush draws = push, right?

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usually, but this is NOT an OESD

I like having the top end of the draw, but he has a gutshot and a non-nut flush draw

I'd be way more hesitant to just chuck my stack in here

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doh!! didnt see that it was a gutshot!