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Luv2DriveTT
12-22-2005, 05:11 PM
link (http://today.reuters.com/sponsoredby/amex/article.aspx?type=innovationNews&storyID=2005-12-22T150202Z_01_FOR254051_RTRUKOC_0_US-LEISURE-POKER.xml)
By Christian Plumb and Paritosh Bansal

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The worldwide poker industry appears to have hit every possible inside straight, flush and full house that it could accumulating a large pot of cash in the process.

But as this holiday season nears an end, the industry's luck seems to be running out as boxed sets of cards and chips are discounted, ratings fade for some poker-themed television shows and shares of a poker-linked stock slump.

From televised celebrity poker tournaments to Internet gambling sites, to thronging tables at Las Vegas casinos and even a weekly column in The New York Times, poker remains an obsession.

Industry group American Gaming Association found the level of interest in poker rose significantly in 2004, with consumer spending on the game in Nevada and New Jersey increasing to $151.7 million, or 45 percent over the previous year.

Yet there are signs interest is waning among some of the demographic groups who fueled the craze.

"It is a pop fad," said Bill Thompson, author and professor of public administration at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. "Fads pass."

Poker sets, once displayed prominently at his local Walgreen Co. <WAG.N> store, have been moved further back into the store, he said.

"It may be reducing down to the niche market, which would be people in their 20s, macho-man type of people," he said. "Parents aren't looking to buy little sets."

In the last few Christmas seasons, stores like Toys R Us did a booming business in poker chips, said Sean McGowan, an analyst at Harris Nesbit. But now chains like Target Corp. <TGT.N> and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. <WMT.N> are deeply discounting the sets to move them off the shelves.

"The people who are obviously most interested in it obviously went out and did it already," McGowan said, noting that his own school-age son, who once obsessively played, has cooled on the game. "He doesn't even talk about it."

RISKY BET

Ratings for poker shows and tournaments, which mainstream sports networks like ESPN rushed to televise in recent years, are no longer growing as fast.

"As far as we can tell, the big poker rooms have continued to grow, but global ratings for poker telecasts around the world have been seeing retrenchment," said Eugene Christiansen, chief executive of Christiansen Capital Advisors. "The future is not going to be like the past year at all."

He said that was a sign that global viewership was maturing.

Steven Lipscomb, chief executive of gaming entertainment group WPT Enterprises Inc. <WPTE.OQ>, which owns the still-popular World Poker Tour television show, said the poker market was "still bubbling."

"We are in what I believe to be the early stages of a very long growth curve," he said. "If we were to be on the same growth scale that we were in ... we would be doing NFL-type numbers. And I don't think our expectations are that we will have 20 million people tuning in."

Some investors who rushed to capitalize on the poker craze have gotten burned.

Shares in WPT have lost more than 50 percent this year after briefly surging in July when U.S. poker champion Doyle Brunson made an unsolicited $700 million offer to buy the company.

The bid, which later expired, is under investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission.

"These cult fad stocks always end up in disaster," said Ivan Feinseth of New York-based advisory firm Matrix USA, noting that the company loses money and calling the stock overvalued despite rapid revenue growth.

Unlike England, where several online gaming stocks are listed, poker has not blossomed as an area for investors in the United States, where Internet gambling remains illegal.

Christiansen said telecommunication companies based in the United States had not bought into poker rooms either because of the legal issues.

He said interest in televised poker -- an important factor in the growth of the game -- continued to increase globally, although at a slower pace and at different rates in different countries.

"Nothing can grow to the sky," he said.

12-22-2005, 06:19 PM
This just in: The Titanic just hit an iceberg.

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toss
12-22-2005, 06:38 PM
What? Ineternet gambling is illegal?

bobbyi
12-22-2005, 07:36 PM
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"It may be reducing down to the niche market, which would be people in their 20s, macho-man type of people,"

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That's me baby.

surfinillini
12-22-2005, 08:43 PM
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"It may be reducing down to the niche market, which would be people in their 20s, macho-man type of people,"

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That's me baby.

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macho-man types ? ROFL...you know how many fat pigs and Bloodsport extras I see in LA casinos...I'm calling bull-[censored]

12-22-2005, 08:45 PM
Does this mean I can look forward to some really great bargains in chips and cards and other pokah crap on e-bay and Craig's List? Man, I can't wait!

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whiskeytown
12-22-2005, 09:12 PM
I saw this...

it MAY be true that the business side of the game is fading but I doubt the social part is...

like the Internet, implementing successful business models MAY be tough to do - but as long as the hobby accounts for the fact it won't always be NL Holdem I think we're fine.

RB

ZenMusician
12-22-2005, 11:13 PM
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He said that was a sign that global viewership was maturing.

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LOL!

-ZEN

Peter666
12-22-2005, 11:21 PM
Any slowing down of the market now is just a normal correction. I'm predicting another huge boom after Asian countries get into online poker and gambling. These are gambling and superstitious cultures who love to take up western things. Has anyone invaded the Japanese market yet? China as of now does not have much access, but just wait and things may go crazy in the future.

Quicksilvre
12-23-2005, 12:09 AM
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Has anyone invaded the Japanese market yet? China as of now does not have much access, but just wait and things may go crazy in the future.

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I definately don't see China in the picture for a long time. I guess Japan might get into the act, though it's been under a fairly conservative government for a long time that doesn't seem to be enthusiastic about legalizing gambling.

DalaiLama
12-23-2005, 12:17 AM
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Any slowing down of the market now is just a normal correction. I'm predicting another huge boom after Asian countries get into online poker and gambling. These are gambling and superstitious cultures who love to take up western things. Has anyone invaded the Japanese market yet? China as of now does not have much access, but just wait and things may go crazy in the future.

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touche....never thought about that angle.

nolanfan34
12-23-2005, 01:58 AM
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"It may be reducing down to the niche market, which would be people in their 20s, macho-man type of people,"

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That's me baby.

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Macho man probably sums up well the 2+2ers that we work with too, right? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

TheGame1020
12-24-2005, 11:32 AM
These posts are so trivial.