Really bad hand, berate me

Full Tilt Poker Game #347689580: Table Horse Pointe - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:25:47 ET - 2005/12/21
Seat 2: JesseJames124 ($27.90)
Seat 4: <font color="red"> Hero </font> ($34.50)
Seat 5: Meghan98 ($31.50)
Seat 6: sir_saloe ($6.40)
Seat 7: Diabolique ($24.75)
Seat 8: TangledPuppet ($13.20)
sir_saloe posts the small blind of $0.10
Diabolique posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to <font color="red"> Hero </font> [A/images/graemlins/spade.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif]
TangledPuppet folds
JesseJames124 calls $0.25
<font color="red"> Hero </font> raises to $1.10
Meghan98 folds
sir_saloe folds
Diabolique folds
JesseJames124 calls $0.85
*** FLOP *** [6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif]
JesseJames124 checks
<font color="red"> Hero </font> bets $2
JesseJames124 raises to $4
<font color="red"> Hero </font> calls $2
*** TURN *** [6d 6s Qc] [Qd]
JesseJames124 checks
<font color="red"> Hero </font> checks
*** RIVER *** [6d 6s Qc Qd] [Kh]
JesseJames124 bets $10.55
<font color="red"> Hero </font> folds

Revised gameplan: CB the flop 100% of the time? 75%? Fold if raised; if called, shutdown unless ace hits on the turn (even then, proceed carefully)

[mosuavea]

Revised gameplan: Fold PF

No reason to get involved here with this hand, save yourself money

[beavens]

any reason you decided to make this move pf?

[aces_dad]

I fold this PF.

I guess it was a steal attempt at the time, but looking at it again, I have no idea.

1: With one limper, what quality offsuit ace do you need to raise in this spot? AQo and AKo?
2: Same question, but with no limpers.

Blinds are tight, but probably play alright post-flop.

Also, it was only six handed, so I figured it was ok quality.

[aces_dad]

But if you're called by any A you're likely going to have TP with kicker problems.

AKo and AQo is as low as I'd raise a limper with here.

[mosuavea]

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But if you're called by any A you're likely going to have TP with kicker problems.

AKo and AQo is as low as I'd raise a limper with here.

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Thats awfully tight. It does depend on the limper though. If he is losse and poor postflop, I would isolate him with AJo, and Axs down to x = 7 or 8.

If OP had a read of how bad the limper was in the origional post and he knew the blinds were tight, I dont entirely hate the play. This is under the ssumption that we have a good read and that he is bad. No read or if he is tight its an easy fold, as previously stated.

[troymclur]

You're gay. Clear-cut case of blatent homosexuality. i have not seen such epic scales of gayness since the battle for Lawrences butt cheeks in double-u double-u two.

Have thou been berated enough?

And now on to the content:

I like the pre-flop raise, even though its usually pretty bad. I make this kind of move usually with suited aces, or mid-low suited connectors, and only when my table image has been built up to facilitate the move. The flop was really good for you in a sense, but i think its pretty clear he has a queen, but usually with these kind of moves, pairing the board is great for you to bluff at. i would fold at the re-raise though.

[Exitonly]

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Revised gameplan: Fold PF

No reason to get involved here with this hand, save yourself money

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sure there's reason to get involved.. it's 6 handed, and A8 is probably good here.

but i probably dump it when i get minraised..

[aces_dad]

AJo is just one more hand you're adding. And as you say this is a default standard, against someone playing too many hands pf, I loosen up my isolation standards.

I'd also go Axs with x say 8 and up.

every move was wrong besides the fold on the river.

[mosuavea]

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Revised gameplan: Fold PF

No reason to get involved here with this hand, save yourself money

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sure there's reason to get involved.. it's 6 handed, and A8 is probably good here.

but i probably dump it when i get minraised..

[/ QUOTE ]

If the limper is a bad player then, as I stated before, this play has its merits. If there is no read or the guy is tight why would you play this?

Despite the preflop garbage, could we discuss fourth and fifth street? I apologize for not properly fixing fourth and fifth street with the suits of the cards.

Right now, my confidence is pretty low as I've been losing and I think it's been affecting my play.

On the flop, I CB and I don't believe that he has me beat. I call, planning to make a play at the pot on the turn.

When the queen hits and he checks, I assume that he has either an ace or a king or a queen. I check behind, because I feel that he'd bet a king on the river and I could win the pot.

After the K hits on the river, I don't think I have a chance.

1: Should I bet the turn?
2: Should I fold the flop after I'm raised?

[troymclur]

if you felt you were ahead on the flop, i'd have re-raised, but the play seems to me like he hit the queen. But as called, i'd have led for 3/4's to 2/3's pot on the turn, then gone into check/fold mode.

[mosuavea]

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On the flop, I CB and I don't believe that he has me beat. I call, planning to make a play at the pot on the turn.

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Thats one of my friends sayings and I laugh everytime he says it, what makes you think he doesnt have you beat? People at this level would min c/r with trips regularly. Without reads you can fold the flop.

[aces_dad]

I was wondering that also. I didn't see a bluffy read provided for villian in the OP.

Right, right. I think I'm psychologically hurting my game and seeing bluffs everywhere. I didn't exactly have a read on this player, except the few hands that I've seen were aggressive, without a SD (still doesn't mean anything).

[4_2_it]

On average, people bluff much less frequently than we give them credit for. Just think how often a good TAG bluffs and semi-bluffs. The calling stations and donkeys will bluff with no where near that level of frequency. The maniacs will, but they are easy to play against provided you can make a hand once in a while.

[jtr]

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sure there's reason to get involved.. it's 6 handed, and A8 is probably good here.

but i probably dump it when i get minraised..

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Agreed. I think the OP's play is fine up until the call of the flop min-raise.