AQo with the King

[Spicymoose]

You have AQo from MP and open raise. An average, thinking player at 10/20 calls you from the button.

Flop is A22r.

You bet, button calls.

River is a 4.

You check...


Good plan?

[gehrig]

do u c/f QJ here?

i hope the plan is to check/raise.

[Danenania]

Bet then c/r river is better.

[Spicymoose]

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Bet then c/r river is better.

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Why better? PPs won't bet the river. On the other hand, they probably won't call down after we c/r. I think they are more likely to the latter though. We extract the same from As.

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Bet then c/r river is better.

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If he's at all aggresive, I like this better too.

I was reading ToP last night and it had a line about "people don't try to check/raise the river nearly enough". This is somewhat at odds with making sure to value bet, but at higher levels you can induce so many weaker hands to bet the river that I'm trying to go for the river check/raise more.

[Danenania]

Mainly because it doesn't look so suspicious. If he's a thinking player he should often check Ax or PP's on that turn because when you check it generally means you are either checkraising or drawing to 0-2 outs. On the river, however, he'll always bet the Ax and should be at least as willing to bet PP's as he would be on the turn.

[baronzeus]

Ya'll are too fancy. I bet both the turn and the river against average, thinking players.


Edit: although check raising occasionally is awesome for metagame.

[Wynton]

Am I hallucinating again or is the turn action missing?

[Lmn55d]

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Bet then c/r river is better.

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Yea I think that's way better for the reasons dane described. Against looser players I think bet/bet/bet is better because lower pocket pairs will call twice but usually not bet. A low ace might even check sometimes fearing the checkraise.

[Spicymoose]

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Ya'll are too fancy. I bet both the turn and the river against average, thinking players.

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I don't ever do this. I just picked up King Yaos Weighing the Odds in Hold Em Poker, and in the first 2 chapters, he advocates pulling the Sexy twice. He explains it briefly, and I can see the possible benefits, but I was curious as to other people's opinions on it.

[colgin]

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You have AQo from MP and open raise. An average, thinking player at 10/20 calls you from the button.

Flop is A22r.

You bet, button calls.

River is a 4.

You check...


Good plan?

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What does an "avergae thinking player" likely have here after cold-calling pre-flop and calling a drawless flop -- most likely a small to medium pocket pair or a (almost certainly weaker) Ace.

Just betting the turn and river maximizes your chance of getting 2BB's into the pot on theturn and river. I think that lines designed to try to squeeze 3BBs in, such as sexying the turn or river, face a real risk of losing a BB if villain checks-behind at some point, and not such a great chance of winning the extra BB when villain cooperates (by betting when checked to) as he may well fold to your C/r when he just has a small to medium pair (although will probably pay off with a weak Ace).