Any way to play this hand differently?

[Guyon]

Looking for a good roast here...

7 Card Stud High ($3/$6), Ante $0.50, Bring-In $1 (converter (http://j.1asphost.com/greenage))

Seat 2: $147
Seat 3: $183.50
Seat 4: $285
Hero: $216
Seat 7: $172
Seat 8: $133

3rd Street - (1.00 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif___brings-in___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif___folds
Hero: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif___completes___calls
Seat 7: xx xx Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif___raises
Seat 8: xx xx 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___folds

4th Street - (5.33 SB)

Hero: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___checks___calls
Seat 7: xx xx Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif___bets

5th Street - (3.67 BB)

Hero: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif T/images/graemlins/club.gif___checks___raises
Seat 7: xx xx Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif___bets___calls

6th Street - (7.67 BB)

Hero: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif T/images/graemlins/club.gif 3/images/graemlins/club.gif___bets___calls
Seat 7: xx xx Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif___raises

River - (11.67 BB)

Hero: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif T/images/graemlins/club.gif 3/images/graemlins/club.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif___checks___calls
Seat 7: xx xx Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif xx___bets

Total pot: (13.67 BB)

Results: IN WHITE
Main Pot: $79 | Rake: $3
<font color="white">
Hero: [ 4d Kd Kh Qd Tc 3c 7h ] [ a pair of kings -- Kd,Kh,Qd,Tc,7h ]

Seat 7: [ Ts Qh Qs 5c 6s Th 4s ] [ two pairs, queens and tens -- Qh,Qs,Ts,Th,6s ] </font>

[lstream]

I would re-raise him on third, and either bet or check raise him on fourth.

[beta1607]

I think you should fold 7th - other then that I like it.

[TheSalche]

im wondering what check raising 5th accomplishes here? he isn't getting away from his hand and you haven't improved yours

and im wondering why villain raised with a possible weaker two pair when you are representing two pair

[Guyon]

Additional notes:
1) I chide myself for not raising 3rd, esp. b/c villian is laggish.
2) I knew I was most likely beat on 7th.
3) The 5th street raise was partly for information, partly because I felt as though I had the best hand at that point.
4) When I was raised on 6th, I feared 2 pair, which is why I should have folded on 7th, but the bettor had such a range of betting hands that I could not fold in my mind.

[beta1607]

You have little reason to think you are not ahead on 5th hence the check raise. The hand is simpler if you just 3 bet 3rd but that defines your hand too much and a check raise on 4th will have the same results but you are losing a fraction of a bet by doing it on a smaller street.

[Jeffage]

Get a raise in earlier than 5th...this isn't hold 'em. Also, you've represented a strong hand - it's doubtful your opponent is raising with a hand on 6th that can't beat two kings, esp. given his ragged board. I muck on 7th w/o improvement.

Jeff

[Andy B]

I would tend to three-bet third and lead out on fourth, but I think your line is OK. I think the only thing I do different is to fold the river, unless the other guy is a real nut job.

Pretty well the same comments as the others except that I'd add that though you obviously suspect QQTT, against some players I think it's OK to call the river. Against others, it is a definite fold. And because of your read of the player, it may very well have been the right call.

[MichaelOar]

Why are we folding on the end here? Sure, you're beat 90% of the time (though something like (Ts 6s)Qs was possible for the enemy), but the pot is big and a call offers you some bluff protection for later. I'm going to err on the side of calling, with an occasional fold if I really know my opponent.

Michael

[Guyon]

Michael, you made a great point for calling in that sit. During the course of this game, I saw a lot of heavy action pots take showdowns with as little as 77. The 10 he picked up on 6th looked innocent esp. since I got a 10 on 5th.

[beta1607]

Jeff - can you or someone else explain why check raising 4th is better then check raising 5th? I can see why raising third is better but not 4th.

[Roland]

[ QUOTE ]
Jeff - can you or someone else explain why check raising 4th is better then check raising 5th? I can see why raising third is better but not 4th.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, I want to know too.

When Seat 7 raises your completion on 3rd, he's telling you he can beat Kings. You have to consider he has rolled Q's or Aces under. I would probably have popped him back 3rd to find out for sure. Why the sudden swing on 5th to check raise? You had been playing the hand passively until then, and don't improve...I'm lost here. I highly doubt most any opponent would fold to your raise when they have been the one betting out. 6th street seems to be a fairly easy fold. You haven't improved and your opponent keeps pressing, lay it down.

JMO - Knoll

[lstream]

[ QUOTE ]
When Seat 7 raises your completion on 3rd, he's telling you he can beat Kings.

[/ QUOTE ]
Not necessarily - it could just as easily be an isolation raise.