ATs hitting 2pair, time to fold? 100NL

[Morrek]

BB is 50/10 and 33% wtsd over 50ish hands, I have a note on him as "weak/passive?", I don't remember why I wrote it however. He seemed, I dunno, weird? Hadn't really seen him play much as I'm 3tabling.

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Hero ($105.95)
CO ($66.50)
Button ($60.37)
SB ($76.95)
BB ($105.33)
UTG ($105.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $4, UTG folds.

Flop: ($11.50) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $11</font>, BB calls $11.

Turn: ($33.50) K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $23</font>, BB calls $23.

River: ($79.50) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB calls $66.33 (All-In), Hero ?

Final Pot: $145.83


Bet more on turn? Call river? Fold? I'm thinking he could have a range of hands here, some including weird 2pairs, and also ofcourse, the flush. Ideas?

[Maulik]

Morrek,

nice PFR =]
looks good. fold. straight + spades = you no goot.

more importantly you can't call a PSB when 2 draws complete.

I think the turn bet is fine. The call on the flop is hard to interpret. He could be calling down with AQ or AJ and you decide to jam the pot because you read him for a flush draw so I think less than pot is fine. You are only giving him 2.5 or so to 1 on a 4 to 1 shot, so as long as you don't pay him off, you did fine.

I think the river is a fold. I don't think I have ever seen a huge overbet like this by a bad player when he didn't have a strong , close to nut hand. Also, your read that he is a passive player forces me to lean towards folding.

[Morrek]

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nice PFR =]

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What? People don't raise ATs utg+1? :P

And yeah, it's not an overbet, slightly under the pot giving me a little better than 2-1. I'm not sure, an allin like this doesn't make any sense from an otherwise weak/passive player, I was thinking he'd bet 1/3 pot or something if he hit.

[DJ Sensei]

I think you played the hand fine, and fold the river. If he's got the sack to make this bet with a hand that you beat, he's not as weak/passive as you think.

[jasonHoldEm]

Follow up question...

If villian checks do you guys check this down or throw a bet out there (given our read on villian as "weak/passive?")

J

[Morrek]

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Follow up question...

If villian checks do you guys check this down or throw a bet out there (given our read on villian as "weak/passive?")

J

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I was definetly looking for a cheap showdown after that river hit.

[DJ Sensei]

I bet the river for $20 if he checks. if he checkraises, i'll fold, but I think Ax will pay off here often enough for it to have value.

[Isura]

I don't lose much sleep over folding this.

[Morrek]

Anyways, I folded quite quickly and villain shows A7o... I changed my notes on him quite a bit after this hand. I did also get all my money back ~30min later where he pulled another bluff:

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Hero ($113.85)
Button ($65.60)
SB ($67.72)
BB ($106.03)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, BB calls $8.

Turn: ($24.50) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $19</font>, BB calls $19.

River: ($62.50) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB calls $75.03 (All-In), Hero calls $75.03.

Final Pot: $212.56

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 3d 3c (two pair, sixes and threes).
Hero has 7c 6c (full house, sixes full of sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins $212.56. </font>

edited to add results of hand#2

As maulik said, when to draws complete on the river, without a read, i am not calling a PSB there--especially since you have him as "passive".

I don't play 6-max so I wont bother commenting on the play, but could somebody please tell me what were the second draw that hit on the river?
Flushdraw and... eeeee... QJ?
HAH!

[Morrek]

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I don't play 6-max so I wont bother commenting on the play, but could somebody please tell me what were the second draw that hit on the river?
Flushdraw and... eeeee... QJ?
HAH!

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Yeah, I wasn't too concerned about the straight hiting, just the flush /images/graemlins/smile.gif