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aujoz
12-21-2005, 07:30 PM
My local B&M casino has recently opened up 6-max, $1/$1 blind tables. They are incredibly loose, incredibly passive.

One hand stays in my mind as an example.

Hero has KQ in BB ($60). 3 limpers plus the small blind. I raise to $10. 2 callers (EP1 $35 + EP2 circa $250).

Pot is $32. Flop comes QJ4. I go all in. EP1 calls. EP2 calls. Both have JT (second pair!). Of course, the sole remaining J in the deck comes on the river, but it exemplifies their play.


Similarly, there may be a pot with $4 in it after the flop, I bet $10 with trips, and get 4 callers. While I understand that this is massively +EV, the large bankrolls of the players who have been lucky to double up several times bust me down whenever I lose a hand.

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When I've hit two pair, or trips, I've typically check-raised all-in, with opponents calling with second and third pairs, and gutshot straight draws.

My problem, however, is that many of these players have sizeable bank-rolls. When I win the 70% of the time, I win their $100-$200 or so - but because they're happy just throwing money away, they've often doubled up a couple of times, and they take my whole stack ("I saw WSOP on ESPN last night. I know how to play," they say).

Since they'll often have more chips on the table than when I arrive (max buy-in $50), they only need to win every second or third all-in to restart me back to the $50.

Should I be playing more conservatively, thus protecting my stack a little more, or should I push the relatively large edges as much as I do?

DJ Sensei
12-21-2005, 08:10 PM
value bet, value bet, value bet. If you're uncomfortable with the deeper stacks, wait for stronger hands to get all in.

Although these donks sound like theyre using a rather martingale-like strategy, keep calling your pushes while they have more chips than you, and eventually they'll bust you. If you keep getting chips in with the favorite hand, you'll keep winning, and eventually have the whole table covered.

cbloom
12-21-2005, 08:26 PM
In theory, if they actually have infinite stacks, even if they get in as 10% to win each time, they'll eventually take your whole stack.

While this probably isn't the case, if you really are afraid of this, one solution is just to cash out whenever you double up, then buy back in. I really don't recommend this, it's very bad for your EV, but if you're playing scared or frustrated from running bad, it can help calm the nerves.

DJ Sensei
12-21-2005, 09:02 PM
most casinos won't allow you to take chips off the table, particularly in NL games.