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xJMPx
12-21-2005, 03:14 PM
I think one of the weakest parts of my game right now is my small blind play late stages. I struggle with pushing a large range even when I think it is a push any two situation. Here’s an example.

PartyPoker - NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Tournament | Level: 6 - 5 players (Converter: PGC (http://client.pokergrader.com))

Chip Counts:
Button: 1460 Chips
<font color="red">Hero: 1585 Chips</font>
BB: 1223 Chips
UTG: 2215 Chips
CO: 1517 Chips

Hero is SB with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif
Blinds are 100/200

PreFlop
<font color="blue">UTG folds</font>, <font color="blue">CO folds</font>, <font color="blue">Button folds</font>, <font color="blue">Hero ????</font>…

PartyPoker - NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Tournament | Level: 4 - 4 players (Converter: PGC (http://client.pokergrader.com))

Chip Counts:
Button: 2990 Chips
<font color="red">Hero: 880 Chips</font>
BB: 990 Chips
UTG: 2200 Chips
CO: 940 Chips

Hero is SB with 2/images/graemlins/club.gif T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Blinds are 50/100

PreFlop
<font color="blue">UTG folds</font>, <font color="blue">CO folds</font>, <font color="blue">Button folds</font>, <font color="blue">Hero ????</font>
12-21-2005, 03:21 PM
http://www.kalilily.net/weblog/push%20hard.jpg
bluef0x
12-21-2005, 03:23 PM
Use ICM.
pergesu
12-21-2005, 03:23 PM
At a 22 I fold this, BB's calling range is almost certainly likely to contain hands like QJ or even T9s...you don't want to get called here obviously, and it happens too often.

btw this is what SNGPT is for.
xJMPx
12-21-2005, 03:23 PM
I've added another hand to the OP.
45suited
12-21-2005, 03:24 PM
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At a 22 I fold this, BB's calling range is almost certainly likely to contain hands like QJ or even T9s...you don't want to get called here obviously, and it happens too often.

btw this is what SNGPT is for.

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12-21-2005, 03:25 PM
SNGPT says push unless you give villain a huge range.
xJMPx
12-21-2005, 03:26 PM
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btw this is what SNGPT is for.

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Yep, and I'm using it. But, I'm posting hands that are close for people's opinion and thought processes.
12-21-2005, 03:28 PM
I think these are both folds as well, (im at work so it's intuitive, not ICM). You have enough BB left to wait for a better hand. Like pergesu said, you don't want a call. If the blinds were going up next hand, I might reconsider though.
pergesu
12-21-2005, 03:39 PM
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SNGPT says push unless you give villain a huge range.

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What's "huge"? And what are the exact $EV % differences, given a few different call ranges? I'm laying down comfortably in bed and don't want to get up to my PC to check this out.

Anyway like I said, if BB's range includes hands like QJ (which at a 22 is basically guaranteed) then it's probably -EV, and at the very best only slightly +EV. Hero's got 7.5 BB, it's not like he's desperate here by any means.
12-21-2005, 06:06 PM
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SNGPT says push unless you give villain a huge range.

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What's "huge"? And what are the exact $EV % differences, given a few different call ranges? I'm laying down comfortably in bed and don't want to get up to my PC to check this out.

Anyway like I said, if BB's range includes hands like QJ (which at a 22 is basically guaranteed) then it's probably -EV, and at the very best only slightly +EV. Hero's got 7.5 BB, it's not like he's desperate here by any means.

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I'm not going to run it again because you are too lazy to get out of bed!

Giving it Eastbay's largest calling range, it was -0.05 $EV if I recall correctly.