$11 - QQ, A turns

[kevkev60614]

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MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1490)
CO (t840)
Button (t1300)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
UTG+1 (t2390)
MP1 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t60, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls t60, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (t210) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t180</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls t180.

Turn: (t570) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t160</font>, Hero calls t160.

River: (t890) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t440 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Villain was in one hand, played passively, and didn't show when he lost.

[11t]

It would be nice to know how CO lost so much of his stack so quickly.

Raise 4-5xbb preflop.I lead the turn and fold to a push.


I like the flop bet.

I just push the turn, yah he might have an Ace but the pot is big and you are committed.

I think folding the river is pretty awful.

[pineapple888]

I don't know, I'm probably calling that river bet.

Villain's push might very well be desperation if he had some sort of draw after the flop, which is draw-heavy.

Or Villain could have a monster, of course, but you only have to be right one out of four times, and you still have some sort of stack left if you are wrong.

[45suited]

It seems to me that once you check - called the turn, you're committed to calling the river.

Why not lead the turn?

[bluefeet]

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I don't know, I'm probably calling that river bet.

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Yeah, me too /images/graemlins/frown.gif

I'm calling bs on this one. Honestly, his turn lead fails to sell more so than the river. The two combined do not add up to an Ace IMO.

(Damn, I gotta split. Maybe someone else can explore these possible non-Ace signs a bit for me.)

[11t]

I think he was worried that if he leads the turn he was committed to call a push.

Hence why I just open push the turn or check/raise the turn to get all the chips in the middle.

i like open pushing the turn. it's t600 more to get villain all in, which is basically the size of the pot. seems reasonable to me.

[kevkev60614]

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It would be nice to know how CO lost so much of his stack so quickly.

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Villain was in one hand, played passively, and didn't show when he lost.

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Alright, I have a confession to make. I didn't fold the river. /images/graemlins/blush.gif /images/graemlins/crazy.gif Regardless, I loathe the way I played it. If I was going to fold to a river push, I should've folded to the turn bet.

Help me out here: I don't get why anyone would lead this turn. If I'm going to push, why not c/r all-in, and push the river if he checks behind the turn? If he has an A, he'd call my turn push. If he doesn't, I might get him to bet at the turn before I force him out.

[45suited]

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Alright, I have a confession to make. I didn't fold the river. Regardless, I loathe the way I played it. If I was going to fold to a river push, I should've folded to the turn bet.

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My point exactly. Okay, my take:

On the turn, villain has t600 left. I'd make a bet of ~200 into the pot. Unless he's very tricky, I think you can fold to a push of 400 more. (I wouldn't do this against a tricky or aggressive player who would push on a draw.)

But on an 11, I think that a push over the top of your turn bet is an ace the vast majority of the time.

Now, if it weren't for the draws on board, I usually prefer check - calling a push over pushing myself. If he's got an ace, he's never folding, but you allow him to bluff at you. I don't like my check - call line here because of the presence of draws all over the place.

I know some will disagree, but I would make a bet of 175-200 on the turn. If he pushes for his remaining 400-425, I'd fold against a typical 11 opponent.

[Marc H]

What 45suited said. Bet the turn! He's running out of chips and is unlikely to risk them without a hand. Your check on the turn exposes you to the bluff.

So he had Ace-x of hearts? or less likely A8o, A9o?

if you were planning on calling the turn why not just bet out. if he calls u know your beat and u can lose no more money