109: KQo hand

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No reads, because I'm essentially a 109 sng n00b.

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MP2 (t1125)
Hero (t915)
Button (t1305)
SB (t1540)
BB (t1140)
UTG (t2135)
UTG+1 (t805)
MP1 (t1035)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t100.

Flop: (t325) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t425</font>,

Hero's action?

I fold here preflop, but otherwise I think you have to push - you have put in 1/3 of your stack, and got pretty much the flop you wanted. Exactly why I don't see the point of raising preflop if you fold this.

Calling on the flop makes little sense because only a bluff has proper fold equity to fold to your modest all-in reraise, and the bluff is unlikely to continue if called. Calling to get away from a club on the turn also seems quite weak.

I play preflop the same. I'd bet more on the flop though. I think you have to push the flop since you made such a weakish bet.

EDIT: At the 55s I like to open shove a flop like this. People call with tons of garbage "protecting their blind". I dunno if this is any different at the 109s.

[tigerite]

I'd raise t125 preflop, because you don't mind them calling, you will have position anyway. I'd also raise that with any premium hand as well here. On flop I would bet slightly more (about 2/3rds pot), and probably fold to the raise.

[tigerite]

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I play preflop the same. I'd bet more on the flop though. I think you have to push the flop since you made such a weakish bet.

EDIT: At the 55s I like to open shove a flop like this. People call with tons of garbage "protecting their blind". I dunno if this is any different at the 109s.

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Open push with only 350 in the pot? Well, that seems a bit extreme to me, considering you have over 750 left. I don't really like that line.

[bigt439]

It's pretty tight I think. I think a read is the X-factor here. If you don't have one... sucks... but I don't think folding or pushing are huge mistakes, but I lean towards fold against an unknown.

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Open push with only 350 in the pot? Well, that seems a bit extreme to me, considering you have over 750 left. I don't really like that line.

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Well, maybe I haven't been shoving enough in this spot to make any conclusions. The 2/3 pot bet is obviously the standard play, but villains will almost always put me on AK/KQ. If I shove they will often put me on some sort of second pair, high card, club draw etc.

Atleast I hope this is the case.

[Scuba Chuck]

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Flop: (t325) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t425</font>,

Hero's action?

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Isn't this the action you are hoping to get when you bet less than 50% of pot when it's checked to you? You got what you asked for....

[downtown]

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You got what you asked for....

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Why so foreboding? If you would usually bet more on the flop when checked to, please say so rather than guessing at the results of the hand or how I felt about being raised.

[Scuba Chuck]

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You got what you asked for....

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Why so foreboding? If you would usually bet more on the flop when checked to, please say so rather than guessing at the results of the hand or how I felt about being raised.

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Foreboding, that was not my intent. I think that AK makes this play, as well as other Kx and non Kx hands, depending on how tricky villain is.

Given The preflop CO raise and weakish flop bet, the BB doesn't need much of a hand to check raise here. If I were the BB, I would be expecting CO to hold hands which will fold to my BB Check Raise (med. prs, Ax, etc) a large % of the time. Given the action so far I'm going to the felt with my CO KQ.

[bennies]

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You got what you asked for....

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Why so foreboding? If you would usually bet more on the flop when checked to, please say so rather than guessing at the results of the hand or how I felt about being raised.

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Foreboding, that was not my intent. I think that AK makes this play, as well as other Kx and non Kx hands, depending on how tricky villain is.

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I agree with Scuba, villain probably has a K so go ahead and push.

[Maulik]

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I'd raise t125 preflop, because you don't mind them calling, you will have position anyway. I'd also raise that with any premium hand as well here. On flop I would bet slightly more (about 2/3rds pot), and probably fold to the raise.

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Don't you think we miss value by not raising 3x bb w/ premium holdings? A larger raise shoudl discourage the blinds defending.

[Maulik]

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I play preflop the same. I'd bet more on the flop though. I think you have to push the flop since you made such a weakish bet.

EDIT: At the 55s I like to open shove a flop like this. People call with tons of garbage "protecting their blind". I dunno if this is any different at the 109s.

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Open push with only 350 in the pot? Well, that seems a bit extreme to me, considering you have over 750 left. I don't really like that line.

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I think they are advising pushing after the raise to t425.

[z32fanatic]

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I'd raise t125 preflop, because you don't mind them calling, you will have position anyway. I'd also raise that with any premium hand as well here. On flop I would bet slightly more (about 2/3rds pot), and probably fold to the raise.

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So you would fold after betting 225, leaving about 525 behind? The only hand i'm afraid of here is AK, as a set is unlikely. If the BB is the average 109er, he could've called this with KQ, KJ, KT, TT-QQ and thought the Hero was weak after his flop bet. I don't think I'm folding here.

[jeffraider]

I'd definitely push here. Your weak lead was begging to get raised by a ton of hands.

[AceRat138]

I fold this preflop most of the time. If I suspect BB will fold to a raise, I raise between 150-200. I disagree with the "bet 125 because you don't mind a call". With the blinds still this low you do not want to get tangled up with a KQo. Too many hands can bust you...

Post flop I bet the pot. The bet you made is way too weak and like other posters have said is begging for the reraise. The reraise puts you in a tough position, but my read on the situation is that the BB is just protecting his blinds and is putting you on a complete steal. I push over the top of his raise. Most likely he has Kx or middle pair. AK would have gotten a reraise preflop and like someone else said already, a set is unlikely.