Love it or Hate it?

[Huhmare]

** Phantom [Hold 'em] (1.50|3.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- SB sitting in seat 1 with $541.71
- BB sitting in seat 2 with $815.35
- HERO sitting in seat 3 with $793.89
- MP sitting in seat 4 with $326.50
- CO sitting in seat 5 with $92.20
- Button sitting in seat 6 with $902.01 [Dealer]

SB posted the small blind - $1.50
BB posted the big blind - $3.00
** Dealing card to HERO: A /images/graemlins/spade.gif, K /images/graemlins/club.gif
HERO raised - $14.00
MP folded
CO called - $14.00
Button folded
SB called - $14.00
BB called - $14.00

** Dealing the flop: A /images/graemlins/club.gif, 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif
SB checked
BB checked
HERO bet - $25.00
CO folded
SB called - $25.00
BB folded

** Dealing the turn: 8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif
SB checked
HERO bet - $60.00
SB called - $60.00

** Dealing the river: 5 /images/graemlins/club.gif
SB bet - $120.00
HERO folded
SB mucks:
SB wins $343.00 from the main pot

[Spaded]

Those are big stacks, have you tried the mid-stakes holdem forum?

[jsnipes28]

Well you seemed to have priced him in nicely. As played i like the fold because he clearly does not want you to check behind with the 4straight on board and wants to maximize value.
However i think you need to bet more on flop and turn which should hopefully make things easier for you and more -EV for him if hes drawing.

[xorbie]

Bet waaaay more on either the flop or the turn.

[Huhmare]

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Bet waaaay more on either the flop or the turn.

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Why would i want people to fold, if there is a flop that safe? The guy had no odds to draw and I made profit. Let's say I had bet the pot on the flop and everybody had folded. No profit there. Or if I had bet pot on the turn? He would have folded a worse hand, but raised a better.

[xorbie]

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The guy had no odds to draw and I made profit. Let's say I had bet the pot on the flop and everybody had folded. No profit there.

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actually if you bet the flop and win the pot is a nice handy $56 profit which is far greater than the -$85 you ended up pocketing without seeing a showdown.

[FreakDaddy]

I don't mind betting somewhat small on the flop, but I'd still bet a little more. I'd check the turn and keep the pot small(use your position). Call/bet reasonable river. Pretty standard.

[Huhmare]

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The guy had no odds to draw and I made profit. Let's say I had bet the pot on the flop and everybody had folded. No profit there.

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actually if you bet the flop and win the pot is a nice handy $56 profit which is far greater than the -$85 you ended up pocketing without seeing a showdown.

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First, the profit was $42 on the flop. Second, since when did getting outdrawn mean that I actually lost? Ok, I lost this time, but what about the other times when I win? They don't count, because I lost this particular hand? The profit would have been $127, if he had not hit his river. I assume he did hit it, because the bet was inviting me to call. He would not have done that kind of a bet with AQ or something.

Lets do some math.. We shall expect that he had A with a smaller kicker. Lets say 7 or 8. In that case he had 14% chance of beating me by the river. So I was approximately 6:1 favorite to win the pot.. Now let's think about playing the hand 7 times you way and my way. You bet pot on the flop and make a profit of 7x$42 = $294. I make 6x$127-1x$99 = $663. Now tell me which is better? And what about all those hands I am already losing after the flop? I won't lose as much, because I bet sufficiently, but not like crazy. That is an ideal flop to slowplay a set.

Finally I noticed that this is wrong forum for this, so just forget about it.

[unlucky513]

hate it - flop and turn bets are way too small.

[Fallen Hero]

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** Phantom [Hold 'em] (1.50|3.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- SB sitting in seat 1 with $541.71
- BB sitting in seat 2 with $815.35
- HERO sitting in seat 3 with $793.89
- MP sitting in seat 4 with $326.50
- CO sitting in seat 5 with $92.20
- Button sitting in seat 6 with $902.01 [Dealer]

SB posted the small blind - $1.50
BB posted the big blind - $3.00
** Dealing card to HERO: A /images/graemlins/spade.gif, K /images/graemlins/club.gif
HERO raised - $14.00
MP folded
CO called - $14.00
Button folded
SB called - $14.00
BB called - $14.00

** Dealing the flop: A /images/graemlins/club.gif, 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif
SB checked
BB checked
HERO bet - $25.00
CO folded
SB called - $25.00
BB folded

** Dealing the turn: 8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif
SB checked
HERO bet - $60.00
SB called - $60.00

** Dealing the river: 5 /images/graemlins/club.gif
SB bet - $120.00
HERO folded
SB mucks:
SB wins $343.00 from the main pot

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check behind on the turn.