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12-21-2005, 01:43 AM

First few hands at the table, no reads on anyone.

Is preflop call alright out of BB?
Should I donk the turn? How about folding when its two back to me?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, 3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, CO raises, Button calls, Hero folds, UTG+2 calls.

Thanks.

12-21-2005, 01:52 AM

Im not calling this preflop. This should be a fold imo.

DCWildcat

12-21-2005, 02:12 AM

Flop call is fine getting 7.5 to 1. Donking the turn isn't horrible, but fold when it's two back.

Wizard0965

12-21-2005, 03:15 AM

Is there a reason not to bet out on the flop with two overcards and the OESD? This hand plays out differently if you do.

12-21-2005, 03:21 AM

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Is there a reason not to bet out on the flop with two overcards and the OESD? This hand plays out differently if you do.

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The reason= The pre flop raiser is immediately to your left.

Wizard0965

12-21-2005, 03:24 AM

I realize that, but I think betting out here gives us more information than the way it was played out.

Eeegah

12-21-2005, 05:07 AM

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Is there a reason not to bet out on the flop with two overcards and the OESD? This hand plays out differently if you do.

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Our OESD kindof sucks since the hearts are dirty, but if we can trap the field we'll know precisely how much value will be in a raise. If the PFR bets and no one calls then our betting out wouldn't have been for value; if they all call...maybe.

Also, I ain't calling this preflop, particularly against an early raiser.

ajm36

12-21-2005, 05:53 AM

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I realize that, but I think betting out here gives us more information than the way it was played out.

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With this hand we don't want information--we either want value or a cheap turn card.

Taxmanrick

12-21-2005, 10:14 AM

Would it make sense to raise the flop when it comes back to us? We have two overcards, a gutshot and could use a K or A(non heart) to bet out on the turn. We could eliminate the two behind us and get us heads up w/ Button.