Anybody rather win a satellite into the WPT Championship than the ME?

I was just thinking about this the other day. From a story telling standpoint and the 'coolness' factor I think a satellite into the WPT Championship might be better than the WE Main Event. Let's face it the Main Event is so large, with pushing over 6000 players next year that when you are seated at the table you might not recognize anybody at your table or the neighboring tables. At a full table of 10 at the WPT Championship you are sure to know between two and seven pros, if you follow the game closely, who ponied up the $25,000 to enter. Sure the compeitition will be much harder, but to be the best you have to beat the best.

Thoughts?

[The Ocho]

i'd rather take a shot at the bigger money against weaker players. playing against good players gets old fast. give me [censored] opponents any day.

[betgo]

The WPT Champ is a higher buyin, so I guess I would rather have one of those. The WSOP is much softer though. There is a big difference between playing fish and top pros.

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I was just thinking about this the other day. From a story telling standpoint and the 'coolness' factor I think a satellite into the WPT Championship might be better than the WE Main Event. Let's face it the Main Event is so large, with pushing over 6000 players next year that when you are seated at the table you might not recognize anybody at your table or the neighboring tables. At a full table of 10 at the WPT Championship you are sure to know between two and seven pros, if you follow the game closely, who ponied up the $25,000 to enter. Sure the compeitition will be much harder, but to be the best you have to beat the best.

Thoughts?

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Yes, and then have to play the final table in less than 6 hours because of absurd blinds.

No thanks..

And why the hell would I want pros at my table.

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I was just thinking about this the other day. From a story telling standpoint and the 'coolness' factor I think a satellite into the WPT Championship might be better than the WE Main Event. Let's face it the Main Event is so large, with pushing over 6000 players next year that when you are seated at the table you might not recognize anybody at your table or the neighboring tables. At a full table of 10 at the WPT Championship you are sure to know between two and seven pros, if you follow the game closely, who ponied up the $25,000 to enter. Sure the compeitition will be much harder, but to be the best you have to beat the best.

Thoughts?

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Yes, and then have to play the final table in less than 6 hours because of absurd blinds.

No thanks..

And why the hell would I want pros at my table.

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It would be neat to play alongside some of the best players in the world.

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It would be neat to play alongside some of the best players in the world.

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Win the ME then you can play with the pros all you want afterwards.

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I was just thinking about this the other day. From a story telling standpoint and the 'coolness' factor I think a satellite into the WPT Championship might be better than the WE Main Event. Let's face it the Main Event is so large, with pushing over 6000 players next year that when you are seated at the table you might not recognize anybody at your table or the neighboring tables. At a full table of 10 at the WPT Championship you are sure to know between two and seven pros, if you follow the game closely, who ponied up the $25,000 to enter. Sure the compeitition will be much harder, but to be the best you have to beat the best.

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Yes, and then have to play the final table in less than 6 hours because of absurd blinds.

No thanks..

And why the hell would I want pros at my table.

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I don't know anything about you, but I know if I were at that final table of the WPT championship, I'm hoping the blinds are as high as they can possibly be.

[REL18]

Blinds need to be at an all in pace if the final table is full of pros

[Burdzthewurd]

You don't get sh*t for coverage during the WPT Championship unless you FT, you can still be a superstar in the ME by just cursing a lot, being smelly, not being able to use your arms, crying a lot, being loud and fat, or fighting

[Fallen Hero]

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You don't get sh*t for coverage during the WPT Championship unless you FT, you can still be a superstar in the ME by just cursing a lot, being smelly, not being able to use your arms, crying a lot, being loud and fat, or fighting

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Why would you assume a random player would want coverage?

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You don't get sh*t for coverage during the WPT Championship unless you FT, you can still be a superstar in the ME by just cursing a lot, being smelly, not being able to use your arms, crying a lot, being loud and fat, or fighting

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Why would you assume a random player would want coverage?

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So you can make a lot in endorsments.

Look at Hellmuth.

What was the latest thing he's done?

Nothing.

Yet, He still gets book deals/clothing line/etc...

For acting like a spoiled brat.

[curtains]

gee you know Id rather take the 25k buyin as opposed to the 10k, but what do I know.

[Skipbidder]

I'd rather have the buyin to the WPT than the WSOP-ME. I'm not playing in any satellites for either, however.

The WSOP seat is worth less to me than the WPT seat. That's all there is to it. 25,000 > 10,000, and the relatively higher percentage of dead money doesn't make up for that. If they were both worth the same expectation to me, then I'd rather play in the WPT event because I don't at all care about being on TV. Without the cameras rolling, perhaps fewer of my opponents would act like morons.

I would get no particular joy playing against name players. In fact, if it's all the same, I'd rather they were at some other table, thank you very much.

I can get my ass kicked by world class players at bridge for a lot less money.

[A_Junglen]

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Why would you assume a random player would want coverage?

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Being on tv is fun times.

[MicroBob]

I'm with Curtains...don't care who i play with...$25k > $10k.


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It would be neat to play alongside some of the best players in the world.

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Admittedly it is kind of neat...but it's not the end-all-be-all.

I'm a nobody and a sucky player...but I won a seat to the WSOP main-event and I had enough W$ on Stars left-over to buy into the $3k event on July 1.


I had played in only 1 live tournament prior to that which was on the Party cruise. I briefly played at the same table as Chip Jett and Ron Rose (I think). Chip was a maniac and was stacking up the chips pretty quickly which was interesting to see.


At the WSOP $3k event I was sandwiched between Tom McEvoy and Huck Seed which was kind of fun. Huck's dry sense of humor was enjoyable.

At the main-event I was at the same table as Johnny Chan for all 10+ hours I lasted on day 1 (Johnny got eliminated about 10 minutes after I did).

so...I get to say "Johnny Chan is at my table" on my cell-phone to a guy updating my blog on my progress in the main-event (me saying this on my phone was captured by the ESPN cameras so I was on TV for about 4 seconds sounding like a total retard...perhaps you remember that part).


but the reason I'm there is because I'm 'in it to win it' as they say (or, at least have a shot of making the money).

To that end, I would have much preferred to NOT have had to think "crap...he just check-raised me but I still think I'm good here...but it just happens to be Johnny Chan who check-raised me so WTF do I do now?!?!"

trying to steal blinds from Chan or Seed is NOT my idea of a fun time.

I prefer to feel like a genius against sucky players as opposed to an idiot against great players.

[SCfuji]

i have no intentions of being the best. id rather be rich

[ononimo]

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so...I get to say "Johnny Chan is at my table" on my cell-phone to a guy updating my blog on my progress in the main-event (me saying this on my phone was captured by the ESPN cameras so I was on TV for about 4 seconds sounding like a total retard...perhaps you remember that part).

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oh, that was YOU? nice ... fwiw, you only seemed like a semi-retard, not a total one! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

i don't get easily star-struck but i think most of us would have done the same thing re: someone of Johnny Chan's stature.

[tpir90036]

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I was just thinking about this the other day. From a story telling standpoint and the 'coolness' factor I think a satellite into the WPT Championship might be better than the WE Main Event. Let's face it the Main Event is so large, with pushing over 6000 players next year that when you are seated at the table you might not recognize anybody at your table or the neighboring tables. At a full table of 10 at the WPT Championship you are sure to know between two and seven pros, if you follow the game closely, who ponied up the $25,000 to enter. Sure the compeitition will be much harder, but to be the best you have to beat the best.

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I am a pretty abysmal tournament poker player, but given all the dead money I think my EV for the WSOP ME would be slightly more than $10K. Meanwhile my EV for the WPT is probably a lot closer to $0. So I would go with WSOP. Even though I think winning the WPT is more prestigious given the tougher field.

[RowdyZ]

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So you can make a lot in endorsments.

Look at Hellmuth.

What was the latest thing he's done?

Nothing.

Yet, He still gets book deals/clothing line/etc...

For acting like a spoiled brat.

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I am not a Hellmuth fan, However he did win the Headsup Challenge againist a very, VERY strong field.

I'm assuming I paid the same to get there. I'd much rather have the WPT. Simple reason--which one are you more likely to win or even make $. I would go with the WPT. 600 vs 6000. even if there's 5000 fish in the main event one of them is extremely likely to bust you out of it. I don't have to suckout all that much to make it to the final table--I think lol. If the final table is players as good/better than me I'll definitely take the fun race situations although I am against that policy.

[kenberman]

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but to be the best you have to beat the best.

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not really.

[Teldar]

I have played in both of these events (I won a seat to the WPT Championship in 2004 through Pokerstars & the WSOP ME 2005 through Party.) They were very different experiences.

Here are my thoughts:

Buy In:
The WPT Championship is $25k and the WSOP is $10k ( Advantage: WPT Championship )

Tournament Structure
In the WSOP you start with 10k in chips with 100 minute levels on day 1 (2 hour levels on day 2+). The WPT starts with 50k in chips with basically the same blind level as the WSOP and levels go up 90 minutes. Also, we only played 9 hours a day at the WPT Championship where day 1 of the WSOP, I played 15.5 hours. It was brutal. Advantage: WPT Championship

Facilities
This is no contest. The Bellagio wins this hands down. I recognize that the Rio had to accomodate a lot more people, but one bathroom for 2000 guys, are you kidding me? Advantage: WPT Championship

Competition Level
Well since I finished in the top 20% at the WPT and top 5% at the WSOP, I definitely have to say the WSOP is way easier. One table I played on was like a college game ( Advantage: WSOP)

Atmosphere
This is a tough one. Playing in the WPT Championship felt so much more special than playing at the WSOP. However, there was a lot more electricity not to mention a ton more people at the WSOP. Advantage: Toss Up

Star Factor:
My table on Day 1 consisted of Mike Matusow, Randy Jensen, Clonie Gowen, a British kid that won the first WSOP 2004 event, several other pros that I cant remember their names, and Doyle Brunson joined us later in the day. It was an all star field. My first table at the WSOP consisted of Tuan Le who busted out early. I didn't see another pro until day three where I sat next to several (Lee Watkinson, Layne Flack, Sammy Farha, the shiek (what an absolute jerk), just to name a few). ( Advantage: WPT)







In the end, I loved playing in both of them but I think the WPT Championship was a better tournament.

[SoftcoreRevolt]

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I'm assuming I paid the same to get there. I'd much rather have the WPT. Simple reason--which one are you more likely to win or even make $. I would go with the WPT. 600 vs 6000. even if there's 5000 fish in the main event one of them is extremely likely to bust you out of it. I don't have to suckout all that much to make it to the final table--I think lol. If the final table is players as good/better than me I'll definitely take the fun race situations although I am against that policy.

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The percentage of people paid in the WPT championship and WSOP are about the same, your odds are equal in terms of entrants vs Paid.

But those damn fish will just suck out on you at the WSOP, so you better just suck out on a higher percentage pro field at the WPT.

[MicroBob]

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oh, that was YOU? nice ... fwiw, you only seemed like a semi-retard, not a total one!

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Thanks...I think.


The whole phone-call to my blog-updater guy went something like, "We're only 45 minutes in so we're still at the first level. I'm up to 18k in chips. my set of Q's crippled a guy with pocket A's. There are 1800 players in the room on day 1a. Also...Johnny Chan is at my table."


The cameras obviously made it look like I was calling BECAUSE Chan was at my table...but it was really a situation where I was due to call my blog-update guy...and that's when Chan arrived (he pulled a hellmuth and didn't show up at the beginning) so the ESPN cameras were right there following him...and then pointed at me on my phone.

Stupid me...should have backed further away from the table.