$11: Risking too much with jacks on level 3?

I'm starting to think that almost all of my hand help request posts are pretty obvious, and that I'm doing the right things, but I'm too results oriented to see it.

I'm results oriented because the results have not been so good. I usually go through all my hand histories but rarely find anything stupid. There must be some leaks that I'm not aware of, but I just can't find them. So instead I end up posting another semi-meaningless hand like this /images/graemlins/blush.gif .

So, here we go:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

CO (t1295)
Button (t805)
Hero (t1050)
BB (t1140)
UTG (t215)
UTG+1 (t720)
MP1 (t1415)
MP2 (t655)
MP3 (t705)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls t100, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero raises [t1050]

Standard? This was not the first minraise from the mighty minraiser, so I was not really scared of him and the calling didn't show much strenght either. So I figured I have the best hand here and pushed hoping to take the pot right here.

I do this everytime with stacks around 600 on level 3, but is my stack this time too big to risk this early?

- Begbie

you have the best hand here almost all the time and I don't want to play JJ OOP on the flop. i'll push

About 25% of your stack is sitting there waiting for you. Go get it.

Standard.

DISCLAIMER: I'm a donk.

[pineapple888]

Well, with JJ, I'll pay 75 chips to take a look at the flop instead. Too many coinflips, too many overcards. With QQ, I'd push.

yes, exactly.

when it's so cheap for you to see the flop, and you'll be first to act, if you really want to push that shouldn't be a problem.

however, if the flop you see comes AK2 with some suit coordination, i think you'll be happy you just called.

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however, if the flop you see comes AK2 with some suit coordination, i think you'll be happy you just called.

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Same if it comes AJ8 and your opponent has 88, A8/AJ/AT and woulda folded preflop.

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however, if the flop you see comes AK2 with some suit coordination, i think you'll be happy you just called.

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Same if it comes AJ8 and your opponent has 88, A8/AJ/AT and woulda folded preflop.

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hell of a point.

Or if the flop comes 832r, you bet and get called down with AA or KK. Don't push here, call and play some poker. Learn how to get away from JJ if the flop betting is insane.

If the flop would be 832r, I don't think I would fold my overpair on $10+1 no matter what happened with two villains on the hand.

i dont like a call much at all. i push here. but havnt played 11's in a long while.

[45suited]

If this guy has mini-raised before, I push this.

All the talk about re-evaluating on the flop ignores some key points, IMO:

1) You have alot of FE

2) You likely have way the best hand (if he's a frequent mini-raiser)

3) "Re-evaluating on the flop" is another way of saying "possibly fold the best hand when an over hits"

4) By calling, you're asking for a call from the BB as well

5) It's an 11! You might get called by hands that you utterly destroy.

6) By pushing now, you might slow this idiot down and stop him from mini-raising so much

[tigerite]

This push is extremely easy, in my opinion. Virtually automatic.

If you're playing one $11 at a time and results are SIGNIFICANT to your bankroll - or if you're playing an MTT - treat your pocket Jacks as if they were pocket 8's.

If you're like me and 4-tabling $11's and willing to take minor +EV shots for a chance of having a big stack - push. Or use Stop and Go approach.

[tigerite]

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If you're playing one $11 at a time and results are SIGNIFICANT to your bankroll - or if you're playing an MTT - treat your pocket Jacks as if they were pocket 8's.

If you're like me and 4-tabling $11's and willing to take minor +EV shots for a chance of having a big stack - push. Or use Stop and Go approach.

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I don't agree with this honestly - if you are multitabling surely you should be more willing to push, that way it's just a single decision, no pissing about on the flop, just shove it, go onto your other tables and don't look back til the results are known?

Raise to 400, push any flop without an Ace if both call.

Push any flop at all if only one calls.

[tigerite]

What's the point in that?? Put out 40% of your stack only to fold if an ace falls and both call? That just seems ridiculous to me. There's 20% of your stack in the pot already! Pick it up by pushing. You'll also be called, undoubtedly, by AT and AJ and underpairs.

Agree with tigerite. I pretty much push this without a thought. I hate just cold calling here to "take a look at the flop." It just leaves room for them to catch some ridicuous hand and will leave you to a tough decision if the board is coordinated at all.

Again, you have tons of FE, and also Win equity because donks at $10+$1's love calling all in's with low PP's this stage in the game. I'd be happy just to pick up the blinds and I also wouldn't mind them calling me with something like 88. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[jeffraider]

Taking a look at a flop sux0rs. Just push, get the moolah.

[zipppy]

I think pushing is +ev.

I think if you know the texture of the table and/or have some reads on players at the table, calling has far greater +ev.

So, I think play according to how much you know about your opponents.