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12-20-2005, 02:20 PM
Im at the final table in a stars $20 180 sit n go and the following situation arises, what’s the right move? All help much appreciated
My action will come later.


PokerStars Game #3381150774: Tournament #16748215, Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1000/2000) - 2005/12/19 - 21:13:59 (ET)
Table '16748215 9' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: davidwilcock (34641 in chips)
Seat 2: flatrick (34445 in chips)
Seat 3: Sudo_Gimp (44946 in chips)
Seat 4: sideline52 (19310 in chips)
Seat 5: polaris3239 (29261 in chips)
Seat 6: SteevePerry (55969 in chips)
Seat 7: Joseph1379 (51428 in chips)
davidwilcock: posts the ante 100
flatrick: posts the ante 100
Sudo_Gimp: posts the ante 100
sideline52: posts the ante 100
polaris3239: posts the ante 100
SteevePerry: posts the ante 100
Joseph1379: posts the ante 100
Sudo_Gimp: posts small blind 1000
sideline52: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to davidwilcock [As Qs]
polaris3239: folds
SteevePerry: folds
Joseph1379: folds
davidwilcock: raises 4000 to 6000
flatrick: folds
Sudo_Gimp: folds
sideline52: raises 13210 to 19210 and is all-in


thanks guys

12-20-2005, 02:24 PM
you have to call 13k to win 26k. 2:1. easy call.

he had AK?

12-20-2005, 02:26 PM
I'm calling this. What are the reads on the player? What is your table image? His range could be pretty large. I think you are coin flipping, but for the odds you are getting you gotta call this and hope he doesn't have AK.

12-20-2005, 02:26 PM
Call call call. Like rockin said, you're getting 2:1 with AQ at a short table.

You will easily see KQ, AJ, AT, 44+ (flip time).

Eder
12-20-2005, 02:28 PM
sounds like small pockets...were you feeling lucky? fwiw I call with my fingers crossed

winky51
12-20-2005, 02:30 PM
3700 in blind money
6000 of your money
13210 of raise money
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22910 in total and you have to call 13210.
If you lose you are left with 15431 and short stacked.

Considering your raising from the CO and BB is SS I would figure he thinks you are trying to steal with a mediocre hand like AT, KJ, small pair. But this depends on your read of the player.

If he was average and has done this all in with 2 paint vs a late raise before I would tend to call. You are almost getting 2:1 on your money. If he was playing very tight maybe not.

Questions to ask:
1. Pot odds? <2:1
2. What would you push short stacked from the BB in this situation?
3. What hands has he pushed before from this situation?
4. Do I want to win more money or gamble to win the tournament?
5. How good are the other plaeyrs? Will they knock each other out before I run out of chips?

Overall I would call.

12-20-2005, 02:35 PM
[ QUOTE ]
3700 in blind money
6000 of your money
13210 of raise money
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22910 in total and you have to call 13210.
If you lose you are left with 15431 and short stacked.



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you left some pesos out. you have BB's blind in and his raise but not the 4000 call.

illegit
12-20-2005, 02:36 PM
AQs getting 2-1 is a no-brainer. Put the chips in.

OatmealJoe
12-20-2005, 02:36 PM
[ QUOTE ]
3700 in blind money
6000 of your money
13210 of raise money
-----
22910 in total and you have to call 13210.
If you lose you are left with 15431 and short stacked.


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There is 3700 blinds/antes, 6000 of your money, and 17210 more for the SB raise all in. That totals 26910. You've put in 6000 already and need 13210 to call so you are getting better than 2:1 odds.

Vuron00
12-20-2005, 04:57 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
3700 in blind money
6000 of your money
13210 of raise money
-----
22910 in total and you have to call 13210.
If you lose you are left with 15431 and short stacked.


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There is 3700 blinds/antes, 6000 of your money, and 17210 more for the SB raise all in. That totals 26910. You've put in 6000 already and need 13210 to call so you are getting better than 2:1 odds.

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Actually, the correct totals are 13110 to call with 27010 in the pot for 2.06:1

If I didn't have a good read, I'd have to call expecting the worse.

Of course, a lot would depend on the payout structure and how comfortable you were on your read.

A_C_Slater
12-20-2005, 05:22 PM
getting 2 to 1 I would call with QJo here.

Pat Southern
12-20-2005, 06:28 PM
Easy call, and your title got my hopes up that stars added higher buyin 20 table tourneys /images/graemlins/frown.gif

12-21-2005, 09:26 AM
Of course, he turns over AK and takes the pot, the pot odds made this a pretty quick call, but the table was fairly solid, I knew i was beat and beat well. I did think though, whats he pushing with here? The best I could hope for was 10s or J's but more likely AA KK AK to which I was a big dog and none of which im 2:1 to beat although KK is pretty close. Thanks for the words of wisdom guys but next time I'm more cautious.

Sorry about the $200 in the title of the post, slip of the keyboard!

Rekwob
12-21-2005, 02:18 PM
you think he just folds 99 here? and AJ?

most people will push with a range that AQ is pretty decent against here, getting 2:1 you call all day

webmonarch
12-21-2005, 02:26 PM
One thing I would add is that I think a raise of only 3x BB is a bit on the light side for these final tables. I've been on a few where you would see 4-6x BB raises pretty often. So, if your table was similar, I would definitely think that your villain puts you on a steal, and that would be another consideration in getting my money in.

I agree with others, calling is correct.