Curtains Hand - 66 Lvl 2

[runner4life7]

I feel like maybe a small raise would be better than a fold here. I can understand not limping for set value becasue only 1 player and then the blinds left. Just curious what others do, not too important of a hand I dont think.

Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: BGILL408 ( $1140 )
Seat 2: JohnHarmon ( $3375 )
Seat 4: jeffrobodeen ( $715 )
Seat 5: mfrang4 ( $665 )
Seat 6: rounderAA111 ( $795 )
Seat 7: JohnBoz111 ( $990 )
Seat 8: ILuvCurtains ( $900 )
Seat 9: Smoothtuna ( $175 )
Seat 10: cph26 ( $1245 )
Trny:18349933 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ILuvCurtains [ 6c 6h ]
JohnHarmon folds.
jeffrobodeen folds.
mfrang4 folds.
rounderAA111 folds.
JohnBoz111 folds.
>You have options at Table 68769 Table!.
ILuvCurtains folds.
Smoothtuna folds.
cph26 folds.
BGILL408 does not show cards.
BGILL408 wins 45 chips

[ellipse_87]

My default is just to minraise it in this situation, unless you have a really tough player in the BB, in which case I might go 3x or 4x depending on stack size. You have position and probably the best hand.

[Roman]

I raise this up 3x

[bennies]

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I raise this up 3x

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I imagine you do this mainly to increase the value of those times you have AJ-AK in this spot. Or do you feel putting in 90 chips with 66 has +EV expectation? Maybe even a big one?

FWIW, I don't like any option here. If I played with opponents who didn't know who I was I would prefer to limp.

[The Yugoslavian]

Fold.

Playing this for set value is not going to be profitable in the long run...

It's probably fine for some players to limp this or raise it....but they are going to be major exceptions.

Yugoslav

[wiggs73]

I'd fold. The only real reason to play small pairs early is for their implied oods when you flop a set. But there's no reason to assume that you'll get much value out the hand since most of the table has already folded.

[Vuron00]

Folded to me in the CO, I'll fold 2/3 of the time. The other 3rd, I'll throw out a 3bb raise. Like Bennies asked, this can increase the value of other hands later. It will also loosen up my image a little and change some of my stats. Very good chance to either take it down here or be HU against BB post flop. I'm not falling in love with this hand and will fold to any serious resistance after the flop.

[Roman]

I sure do feel that 66 has positive expectation in position versus two effective opponents. The button is a nonfactor here as he is too short to affect the hand. I will take 66 against the blinds in position anyday.

What level is this played at?

I do not have much experience playing PP SNGs, but I do not see how open folding is +EV.

OP is in the CO with a hand that is even money against AK. The chances of the button and blinds folding to an open raise is pretty high I would think...

[11t]

You raise 3xbb so when the bb calls you and checks when he misses the flop you can fire out a 2/3 pot bet and take it down. Also 11% of the time you flop and set and could de-stack somebody.

I like raising here but I am willing to play a lot of hands post flop that most people aren't. Of course you get into trouble some times but the majority of the times people are folding everything but the nuts the first 2-3 levels so I pick up a lot of small pots and win a few big ones. Yah I get into trouble at times but I never get trapped.

Of course in a t800 chip tournament I think open folding here is acceptable.

[KingDan]

I guess I'm in the minority but I raise this preflop.

To anyone who suggests folding, would you fold this if you were single tabling and focusing entirely on one SNG?

[Newt_Buggs]

I definitly raise here.

I feel the need to chime in here because this is an insta-raise for me. I'd make it 80 or 90 to go. Open folding this in the CO just sounds so weak to me; I don't know the numbers but I can't see it being -EV to play the hand.

[pineapple888]

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You raise 3xbb so when the bb calls you and checks when he misses the flop you can fire out a 2/3 pot bet and take it down.

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Why aren't people specifying the buyin any more? Just because it's a curtains hand?

Anyway, assuming this is at the 215s, the BB is far less likely to flat call a raise than at lower buyins.

At a TA table, there are only two categories of hands here: those you will fold to a re-raise, and those you won't.

The latter category would be something like [AA-QQ, AK]. Maybe tighter.

***All of your other hands are identical.***

The better the players, the less your cards matter.

That makes it very difficult to specify the "correct" action at the early levels. It depends greatly on metagame considerations that hardly ever come into play below the 100s.

My two cents...

[ilya]

Meh, you're unlikely to win a big pot here, you'll have to play for 175 if button pushes when you're probably a slight dog against his range (and he'll push probably about 16% of the time). If you win a small pot here a bunch of times and lose a slightly larger one somewhat less frequently, you need to be +CEV on average just to be neutral $EV. My intuitive estimate is that you need to average about +20-30 CEV for this to be neutral-$EV. So even if you manage to average +50 CEV or so, it's gonna be only marginally +$EV.