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runner4life7

12-20-2005, 04:37 AM

I feel like I have to bet this flop after its checked around and then if not at least take a stab at the turn and probably call the river bet. So i play each street different, anyone else?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t1025)
UTG (t1180)
UTG+1 (t985)
UTG+2 (t890)
MP1 (t900)
MP2 (t1065)
MP3 (t1235)
Curtains (t975)
Button (t915)
SB (t830)

Preflop: Curtains is CO with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t15, MP1 calls t15, 2 folds, Curtains calls t15, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t72.50) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Curtains checks.

Turn: (t72.50) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Curtains checks.

River: (t72.50) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets t85, MP1 folds, Curtains folds.

Final Pot: t157.50

Roman

12-20-2005, 04:38 AM

id bet flop, im not callin river tho

bigt439

12-20-2005, 04:39 AM

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I feel like I have to bet this flop after its checked around and then if not at least take a stab at the turn and probably call the river bet. So i play each street different, anyone else?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t1025)
UTG (t1180)
UTG+1 (t985)
UTG+2 (t890)
MP1 (t900)
MP2 (t1065)
MP3 (t1235)
Curtains (t975)
Button (t915)
SB (t830)

Preflop: Curtains is CO with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t15, MP1 calls t15, 2 folds, Curtains calls t15, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t72.50) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Curtains checks.

Turn: (t72.50) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Curtains checks.

River: (t72.50) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets t85, MP1 folds, Curtains folds.

Final Pot: t157.50

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I feel your points, but to be honest, I don't think it matters. Play this hand however... it won't really affect your EV IMO.

12-20-2005, 04:54 AM

TPGK with a gutshot draw in a 5-way pot worth 73chips... if Curtains isn't playing this hand (who's postflop play is stellar, at least compared to most of us in the lower limits) it probably isn't worth playing ever.

The fact that it's Level 1 means he probably has another 7 tables open. If I had $1,672 worth of SNGs open simultaneously, I wouldn't want to spend too much time fighting over 73 chips either.

I wonder if he would have contested this pot if he was only playing this table and it was a $1,000 SNG...

12-20-2005, 05:00 AM

Can I just throw out the obvious and ask why not bet the flop?

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ZBTHorton

12-20-2005, 05:01 AM

How can you not bet this flop? You limp suited connected broadway early in a SNG. Not a bad play. Then you flop top pair good kicker w/ gutshot. And you don't bet it TWICE?

I bet the flop. And if I check it, I bet the turn. If I check both, I don't call the river.

runner4life7

12-20-2005, 05:03 AM

yeah after looking again with diamonds or the 9 i dont like a river call as much as i used to.

fluorescenthippo

12-20-2005, 05:06 AM

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I feel your points, but to be honest, I don't think it matters. Play this hand however... it won't really affect your EV IMO.

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how in the world does this not matter? there are 75 chips in there are we have top pair

bones

12-20-2005, 05:10 AM

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Can I just throw out the obvious and ask why not bet the flop?

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Because you're going to get called.

ZBTHorton

12-20-2005, 05:12 AM

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Can I just throw out the obvious and ask why not bet the flop?

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Because you're going to get called.

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And we don't want that?

bones

12-20-2005, 05:18 AM

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Can I just throw out the obvious and ask why not bet the flop?

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Because you're going to get called.

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And we don't want that?

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You'd hate getting called here. You have a mediocre hand on a draw heavy board and will have NO idea where you stand on the turn. In addition to all of that, you're swelling the pot so it will be more expensive to see a showdown.

curtains

12-20-2005, 05:35 AM

btw I think this is an obvious check behind on the flop. Also I fold the flop to a single pot sized bet. This is not a good flop for my hand. It's not a "bad" flop, but definitely not good against 4 opponents in a sit and go format.

runner4life7

12-20-2005, 05:37 AM

i can see folding to a pot sized bet easily, its just hard for me not to bet, but after reading from bones about you being called it does make sense, thanks for the replies

curtains

12-20-2005, 05:38 AM

Basically if you bet its very hard for anything good to happen. Best case is of course everyone folding. Often you will get checkraised and have to fold. If you get called and you often will get called in multiple places) there are about a billion unpleasant turn/river cards, and the pot is getting extremely large. Even a 9 isn't golden or anything.

Mvcode3

12-20-2005, 05:46 AM

If your going to check the flop i think you have to bet the trun. A 3/4 pot sized bet should let you take it down, obviously fold to any c/r. If your called by J-9 or A/K T then you can always check behind the river. Its worth taking a shot at.

curtains

12-20-2005, 05:46 AM

There is a 4 straight on the board and Im betting against 4 opponents? Betting the turn into 4 opponents is suicidal IMO.

Mvcode3

12-20-2005, 06:28 AM

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There is a 4 straight on the board and Im betting against 4 opponents? Betting the turn into 4 opponents is suicidal IMO.

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I failed to notice the turn set up the 4 stright, Id have to agree to then check fold. I still think my line is to bet a safe card on the turn if im checking the flop. Id make it small enough that I can easily get away from it. Mabye is just more of my aggressive style. Most importantly you cannot donk away your chips on suck a weak hand on a draw heavy board.

12-20-2005, 06:34 AM

i bet the flop
on the turn if there are still 2+ players left i c/f all the way.

curtains

12-20-2005, 06:41 AM

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There is a 4 straight on the board and Im betting against 4 opponents? Betting the turn into 4 opponents is suicidal IMO.

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I failed to notice the turn set up the 4 stright, Id have to agree to then check fold. I still think my line is to bet a safe card on the turn if im checking the flop. Id make it small enough that I can easily get away from it. Mabye is just more of my aggressive style. Most importantly you cannot donk away your chips on suck a weak hand on a draw heavy board.

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I too would bet the turn to a safe card. Failing to bet after 2 checks with one card to come, is really too weak.