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12-19-2005, 11:54 PM
With the pot odds I was getting is this turn fold to weak?

MP1's preflop cap, flop check, turn raise confused me badly so I folded. what sort of hands do fish do this with? I guess monsters.

Both opponents could be clasified as passive fish.

Mp1 is 55/3.75/0.87
UTG is 45/5/0.64

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises. Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.40 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks.

Turn: (6.70 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, UTG calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 11.70 BB
car ramrod
12-19-2005, 11:56 PM
fine
AmarilloJim1
12-19-2005, 11:57 PM
Fold on the turn...
AmarilloJim1
12-19-2005, 11:59 PM
I like a fold on the first turn bet. Why do you think he should've called the turn?
milesdyson
12-20-2005, 12:05 AM
yes fold the first time. good flop check though.
12-20-2005, 12:08 AM
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I like a fold on the first turn bet. Why do you think he should've called the turn?

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Dont I have enough outs/pot odds to improve against UTG? With his numbers I doubt I am reverse dominated with something like A10 as he raised preflop although he might have pocket 10s. He probably would have bet out with AA or KK on flop.
Or are you saying I should have folded because preflop capper was still to act behind me?
12-20-2005, 12:41 AM
grunch:

Looks like a good fold to me. You've got only 4 clean outs, and hitting one could still leave you with second or third best hand. One of them will beat your two overcards even if you spike top pair on the river.
12-20-2005, 12:58 AM
Just fold it.
DMBFan23
12-20-2005, 03:30 AM
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I like a fold on the first turn bet. Why do you think he should've called the turn?

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Dont I have enough outs/pot odds to improve against UTG? With his numbers I doubt I am reverse dominated with something like A10 as he raised preflop although he might have pocket 10s. He probably would have bet out with AA or KK on flop.
Or are you saying I should have folded because preflop capper was still to act behind me?

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if you had 6 outs and could get a free showdown some percentage of the time and the player behind you won't overcall often, then the call might be razor thin. since you don't know the Ac/Kc are outs, or what the capper will do, it's best to fold.
sccrneo
12-20-2005, 11:11 AM
In this situation, if you called the first time, wouldn't you almost for sure want to call the raise since you are closing the action. You have more odds and no chance of a raise. If you thought the hand was good enough to call the first time, shouldnt you call the second bet. I agree that folding to the bet is better but after calling the first bet, shouldnt you call the second bet??????