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Killer Man's Son
12-19-2005, 10:19 AM
I don't post here much but I like to lurk from time to time. Today I noticed a topics dealing with religion/belief in god specifically. Not surprising as we approach Christmas.

Anyway, I am just curious how much literature besides the Bible the devout Judeo/Christian believers have read?

The reason I ask is that many believers seem to use quotes from the Bible to back up their belief system. Either that, or it all comes down to 'you just have to have faith'. This is foolish, and here is why.

The Bible is mostly plagiarized tales from earlier polytheistic religions. This isn't even up for debate, it is fact. Here are a couple of examples.

1. The creation myth is taken from the Enuma Elish, the Babylonian creation epic. Anyone want to guess how many tablets comprise the Elish? If you said 7, you are correct. Funny how that worked out isn't it.

2. The 'Lord's Prayer' is actually taken from a prayer written to honor one of the gods in the Summerian/Akkadian pantheon.

3. Funny how Jesus used two fish to feed thousands of people isn't it? Just the same way Alexander The Great did it 300 years earlier with grapes to feed his army.

And the myths go on and on. I haven't even scratched the surface. Hell, you can even find references to gods from other pantheons in the Bible. The last known that I can recall off the top of my head is a reference to Tamuzi, an Akkadian god, in the book of Acts. This was the last god that the Judeo/Christian god had to defeat to establish his supremacy over Earth.

Now, don't get me wrong, the Bible is a fascinating book. Historically, it has proven to be very accurate. But be careful how much faith you place in it as the writing of your 'god'.

On to Jesus...

Jesus was a great man. Notice I said man and not son of God. What many don't know is that Jesus was a STUDENT of world religion. It is widely accepted that when he disappears from the Bible at age 12, it was on a quest to travel the world. The Asian figure called Isla is widely accepted to be Jesus while he was on his quest. It is no surprise then that Christianity actually contains many facets from other religions.

1. The concept of the Trinity. Nothing new here, the Druids were preaching this 2000 years before Jesus came on the scene.

2. The concept of reincarnation. This was originally in the Bible but was taken out in 325 AD. It didn't conform to the beliefs of the church so it was removed. Kind of hard to control people when they know they get a second chance huh?

And the list goes on and on...

Anyway, the point of this post is not to rain on anyone's parade. If you find solace in religion and it helps you sleep at night, more power to you. Just be careful how far you take your belief system.

hmkpoker
12-19-2005, 10:24 AM
If you're going to post things like this, please, please, PLEASE cite some sources.

MaxPowerPoker
12-19-2005, 10:27 AM
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The Bible is mostly plagiarized tales from earlier polytheistic religions. This isn't even up for debate, it is fact.

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Guess that settles it then.

12-19-2005, 10:33 AM
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If you're going to post things like this, please, please, PLEASE cite some sources.

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Lestat
12-19-2005, 11:54 AM
Are these your opinions? If so, thanks for sharing. But you should state them as opinions and not present them as facts without citing sources.

I personally think there are many strong similarities between Jesus' life and that of Socrates'. But I wouldn't claim that some stories about Jesus stemmed from Socrates, because I have no facts for such a claim.

Jeff V
12-19-2005, 12:49 PM
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This is foolish

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hmkpoker
12-19-2005, 01:02 PM
This is the part where we find out that he got a C in some 100 level college course on the subject which he occasionally attended, and now feels enlightened on the subject.

txag007
12-19-2005, 01:12 PM
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1. The creation myth is taken from the Enuma Elish, the Babylonian creation epic. Anyone want to guess how many tablets comprise the Elish? If you said 7, you are correct. Funny how that worked out isn't it.

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The accounts in Genesis are more sophisticated than those in Enuma Elish. Genesis is also scientifically accurate, while Enuma Elish is not. Also, regarding the seven days/ seven tablets relationship, creation only takes up four of the seven tablets.

12-19-2005, 01:20 PM
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Genesis is also scientifically accurate, while Enuma Elish is not.

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LOL!!

hmkpoker
12-19-2005, 01:38 PM
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Genesis is also scientifically accurate, while Enuma Elish is not.

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LOL!!

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yeah...I want to make a joke about that too, but it seems kind of redundant.

12-19-2005, 02:28 PM
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want to make a joke about that too, but it seems kind of redundant.

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I think that clearly you are not reading between the lines. Frankly I don't see it either /images/graemlins/crazy.gif, but rather than mocking him I'm simply going to ask for clarification...?

Killer Man's Son
12-19-2005, 02:49 PM
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This is the part where we find out that he got a C in some 100 level college course on the subject which he occasionally attended, and now feels enlightened on the subject.

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Actually, I only took one mythology course during my days at the university. It was in Greek mythology and not much applies to the current discussion. I, of course, got an A (and I think it was a 200 level course /images/graemlins/laugh.gif ). (my major was Com Sci, and yes, I have a degree in it not that it matters)

Actually, this all stems from reading I did prior to attending school. I didn't start school until I was 23 due to 5 years in the military. It was then I discovered my interest in this topic.

Anyway, I had to laugh at this as well:

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The accounts in Genesis are more sophisticated than those in Enuma Elish.

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That was priceless. Wrong, and priceless.

If anyone is interested, here is a link to some current listings on Amazon about the Elish: Elish link (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/002-8785554-8258436?url=index%3Dstripbooks%3Arelevance-above&field-keywords=elish)

Also, I don't deny this:

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Genesis is also scientifically accurate

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It is accurrate. It details in a few verses how life EVOLVES on a planet. It descibes the formation of the planet and the formation of lower forms of life before higher forms (grass before animals, etc.). All this proves is that our ancestors knew how things had started, not that God had done things in 7 days.

Suffice to say, anyone who is well read on this topic knows that the Elish was the basis for the Hebrew version of events. And why not. Anyone know where the Jews were before they migrated to Egypt? You guessed it, Mesopotamia. (please don't ask for a source on this, just learn some basic human history)

Now, as for my other claims, I'll have to dig some books out of the back room. In all honesty, it has been a while since I have researched these topics. So, give me a day or two to find the sources.

As for the Druid claim, I'm not going to explain an entire religion. Just buy a book or two on the Druids, and trinity will be covered in it.

As for Jesus' travels after the age of 12, pick up a book on a character named Isla. It is generaly accepted that this character was Jesus.

While your buying books, pick up a copy of the Epic of Gilgamesh. I recommend 'Gilgamesh' by John Gardner and John Maier, it is an excellent translation. It contains the Mesopotamian flood account. It is considered the basis for the story of Noah's Ark.

That's enough for now. I have to go scan the Book of Acts to find the reference to Tamuzi since it has been a while since I have read it.

hmkpoker
12-19-2005, 03:30 PM
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want to make a joke about that too, but it seems kind of redundant.

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I think that clearly you are not reading between the lines. Frankly I don't see it either /images/graemlins/crazy.gif, but rather than mocking him I'm simply going to ask for clarification...?

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This is the guy who argued about how the ark was built, according to our modern understanding of engineering and zoology.