Polar Bears drowning and resorting to cannibalism...

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Here's the article - found from Slashdot (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1938132,00.html)

It astonishes me the blind naiviety of these Republicans who insist they aren't convinced that Global warming is happening. Every year we get another story or two like this and they still have their hands over their ears going "LA LA LA - I CAN'T HEAR YOU." Even more naive is the notion that it can't affect us or that we can buy our way out of any issues it causes.

The house has smoke all thru the ground floor - the ceiling is burning two stories up out of sight and all Republicans can say is "Well, we're not convinced this smoke is our house. And we're not convinced that there hasn't been smoke here before and that this is natural geology - and we're not convinced the fire will spread to the ground floor if the building is on fire.

[censored] idiots - naive, blind, [censored] idiots.

RB

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It is normal behaviour for male adult polar bears to eat young bears if the mother is not vigilant.

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It astonishes me the blind naiviety of these Republicans who insist they aren't convinced that Global warming is happening. Every year we get another story or two like this and they still have their hands over their ears going "LA LA LA - I CAN'T HEAR YOU." Even more naive is the notion that it can't affect us or that we can buy our way out of any issues it causes.


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I don't think that the concept that the earth is getting warmer is an idea that is at issue. Clearly the earth's atmosphere is getting warmer each year. What is at issue is 1.) Why is it getting warmer? 2.) What are the implications of this? 3.) What can be done about it, if anything.

Clearly, if it is some sort of natural cycle the earth goes through, then nothing can be done about the atmospheric changes and humans will have to adjust to a warmer world. OTOH, if there is something we as human beings are doing to maker the earth warmer, then clearly we must change whatever that is.

Before you get so worked up over an issue, maybe you ought to understand what it is that is getting you upset.

Frankly, I don't think you will find a difinitive answer on this one as neither the scientific nor political community has found one.

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Frankly, I don't think you will find a difinitive answer on this one as neither the scientific nor political community has found one.

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They have. Unfortunately the scientific answer means political suicide.

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Frankly, I don't think you will find a difinitive answer on this one as neither the scientific nor political community has found one.

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They have. Unfortunately the scientific answer means political suicide.

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His point still stands about the political community....they haven't decided that there is a 'definitive answer' or even a definitive question for that matter. Except maybe 'how can we ignore the issue?'

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

Not just polar bears. Pretty standard behavior for predatory species.

Since you are brazen enough to start calling people naive [censored] idiots, I suppose, then, that you have a detailed, well thought out answer to this problem of global warming that is going to destroy all of us. I'm sure we would all like to hear it.

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It is normal behaviour for male adult polar bears to eat young bears if the mother is not vigilant.


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I thought it was also normal for the Earth to continue to steadily warm following an Ice age.

I also thought it was normal, on any given decade or two, for a single volcanic eruption to spew more CO2 and pollutants into the atmosphere than the has been produced in the entire scope of mankind's industrial history.

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I also thought it was normal, on any given decade or two, for a single volcanic eruption to spew more CO2 and pollutants into the atmosphere than the has been produced in the entire scope of mankind's industrial history.

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Pay no attention to that kind of information. It's distracting, and draws your attention away from the main issue here. It's the strawberries, I tell you. The strawberries. Ignore issues like this and there's no telling what it will lead to.

[SheetWise]

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Frankly, I don't think you will find a difinitive answer on this one as neither the scientific nor political community has found one.

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They have. Unfortunately the scientific answer means political suicide.

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His point still stands about the political community....

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Apparently you two know the 'difinitive answer'. Are you going to post it here? Shall we alert the media? Could we get a little information on your background, and how you made this discovery.

Headline: Wiskeytown frames the issue -- calls all opposing evidence the work of 'idiots'. Superleeds knows the answer, and may share it soon!

[MMMMMM]

Global warming is occurring. However, global warming is also occurring on Mars, and sunspot activity is at or near a very long-term high. One question we should be asking is what percentage of global warming is due to increased human activity, and what percentage of global warming is due to increased sun activity.

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Global warming is occurring. However, global warming is also occurring on Mars, and sunspot activity is at or near a very long-term high. One question we should be asking is what percentage of global warming is due to increased human activity, and what percentage of global warming is due to increased sun activity.

[/ QUOTE ]It has been asked, and variations in solar output are not deemed a significant cause of what we're seeing.

It's amazing what a well-run campaign to muddy the waters can do. Anyone who thinks there is not consensus among 99% of scientists (the ones not on the take, or with a political agenda) is failing as a human being.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

Edited to add: anyone who thought there was not consensus within the scientific community about global warming (I'm counting a few of you just in this thread) needs to find an honest source of news.

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And the trees. Don't forget about the trees. According to Saint Reagan, they are a major source of air pollution.

[SheetWise]

Reagan was Right! (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030312.wtree312/BNStory/Front)

Trees Fight Back! (http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6526)

Challenging Conventional Wisdom! (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_9_19/ai_100111682)

Associated Press Weighs In! (http://www.water.az.gov/NewsArchive/trees031703.htm)

Princeton Scientists: Changes in forestry and agriculture affecting ozone pollution! (http://www.princeton.edu/pr/pwb/04/1004/3b.shtml)

IT'S THE STRAWBERRIES I TELL YOU!

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Frankly, I don't think you will find a difinitive answer on this one as neither the scientific nor political community has found one.

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They have. Unfortunately the scientific answer means political suicide.

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His point still stands about the political community....

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Apparently you two know the 'difinitive answer'. Are you going to post it here? Shall we alert the media? Could we get a little information on your background, and how you made this discovery.

Headline: Wiskeytown frames the issue -- calls all opposing evidence the work of 'idiots'. Superleeds knows the answer, and may share it soon!

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First of all, in quoting me, you edited out of my post where I talked about the 'definitive' answer, as distinct from whatever type of answer other people are talking about.
Secondly...apparently you have turned off your irony detector... turn it back on immediately.
Thirdly my post remained quite about the definitive answer in terms of the science.
Fourthly your reply made no reference to the content of my post, which was, that the political consensus is to ignore (what I didn't mention is that, when ignoring doens't work, the tactic is to proclaim a big controversy amongst the scientific community in order to render all oposing points of view (ie people who are concerned about the future of their planet) to be 'unsubstantiated', which is just a tactic (and I BTW proclaim this to be the truth without need to resort to argument.))
Fifthtly as far as I can tell, those who vehemently argue on the side opposing the existence of global warming have way more to gain than those urging us to be cautious.

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Global warming is occurring. However, global warming is also occurring on Mars, and sunspot activity is at or near a very long-term high. One question we should be asking is what percentage of global warming is due to increased human activity, and what percentage of global warming is due to increased sun activity.

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It has been asked, and variations in solar output are not deemed a significant cause of what we're seeing.

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I've read estimates that sun activity is responsible for from 10%-30% of the recent total global warming on Earth (and presumably, a higher percentage of the global warming on Mars;-), but haven't followed up on that with further reading.

[superleeds]

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Superleeds knows the answer, and may share it soon!

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Your not going to like it.

Ready.

The answer is....













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