4 set hand (low content)

[joewatch]

Just wanted to share this ... not looking for comments on my play!

Pot-Limit Omaha High, $1.00 BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB ($100.10)
BB ($82.05)
UTG ($59.25)
UTG+1 ($137.70)
MP1 ($62.45)
MP2 ($192.05)
Hero ($101.70)
CO ($158.35)
Button ($70.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $3</font>, Hero calls $3, CO calls $3, Button calls $3, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $2, UTG calls $2, MP1 calls $2.

Flop: ($21.50) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $14</font>, Hero calls $14, CO folds, Button calls $14, BB folds, UTG calls $14, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $59.45</font>, MP2 calls $45.45, Hero calls $45.45, Button folds, UTG calls $42.25 (All-In).

Turn: ($270.10) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $129.6 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $39.25 (All-In).

River: ($438.95) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 3 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $438.95

MP1 showed [Ah 6s 7h 6c] and lost with three of kind, Sixes
MP2 showed [Kc Th Ks Tc] and lost with three of a kind, Tens
UTG showed [4d Qd Qh 6h] and lost with three of a kind, Queens
Outcome: Hero wins $348.60 with three of a kind, Aces
MP2 returned $90.35.

[BluffTHIS!]

That is as rare as it gets for 4 players to have a set. Usually if there were 4 sets it would be because 1 player made two of them with a 2 pair hand.

And I'm going to comment on your play anyway. Nothing wrong with it since you have not only top set but also the nut flush draw and the only straight draw is a gutshot. You want all the drawing nearly dead or thin money in you can get.

You have to get that allin on the flop/turn given that action. Those straight draws know the odds of making the straight but they always ignore the flush outs. Only thing to fear is a gutshot/dreaded runner runner magic straights for someone.

[dibbs]

Damn. They sure dont play like this in the 50s. I think players in the 25s would fold here even. Nice table, nice hand sir.

[mosta]

I don't know if this is more unlikely, but in a limit hold em game I once flopped set over 2 sets with an overpair out there as well. I did nothing but call, until the river, may have left a bet out there (forgot if all were capped), but my sudden lead on the river unfortunately froze them.

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I don't know if this is more unlikely, but in a limit hold em game I once flopped set over 2 sets with an overpair out there as well.

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Your hand in Hold'em is way, way, way, way more unlikely then the OP in Omaha.

Not that you asked anyone to calculate it but I'll bite.

I'd estimate 6^3 for the three flopped sets or about 200 times less likely. Hard to estimate the relative probability of an overpair in Hold'em vs. a 4th set in Omaha but I doubt it makes more than a 2 times difference up or down. So I'd say your hand is 100 to 400 times less likely. Wow.

[BluffTHIS!]

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You have to get that allin on the flop/turn given that action. Those straight draws know the odds of making the straight but they always ignore the flush outs. Only thing to fear is a gutshot/dreaded runner runner magic straights for someone.

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Hero did get allin on the turn. But there was no reason on the flop to chase away hands he is beating. The key is that he holds the nut flush draw as well as top set which shaves the outs for someone with a straight draw. The way to maximize this hand is to let all who want in to be in, regardless if an unfortunate straight should come. Long term this is the most +EV way to play this hand.

[mosta]

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I don't know if this is more unlikely, but in a limit hold em game I once flopped set over 2 sets with an overpair out there as well.

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Your hand in Hold'em is way, way, way, way more unlikely then the OP in Omaha.

Not that you asked anyone to calculate it but I'll bite.

I'd estimate 6^3 for the three flopped sets or about 200 times less likely. Hard to estimate the relative probability of an overpair in Hold'em vs. a 4th set in Omaha but I doubt it makes more than a 2 times difference up or down. So I'd say your hand is 100 to 400 times less likely. Wow.

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yeah I should have gotten that in the first place (two-card game versus four-card game) maybe I'll try to compute it later. for your curiosity, here is the original unaltered hand history.

***** Hand History for Game 660017237 *****
3/6 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (LIMIT) - TUE JUN 08 18:38:56 EDT 2004
Table Pirates Cove (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: dicefordeath ( $138.50)
Seat 2: myshkin9 ( $132.25)
Seat 3: d3man17 ( $174)
Seat 4: I_HATE_Money ( $291)
Seat 5: Derek33 ( $57)
Seat 6: justlikemike ( $104)
Seat 7: thong555 ( $137)
Seat 8: rascal7 ( $23)
Seat 9: terryterryw5 ( $115.50)
Seat 10: keone59 ( $197.50)
I_HATE_Money posts small blind (1)
Derek33 is sitting out.
justlikemike posts big blind (3)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to I_HATE_Money [ Th, Ts ]
thong555 calls (3)
rascal7 calls (3)
terryterryw5 calls (3)
keone59 calls (3)
dicefordeath folds.
myshkin9 calls (3)
I_HATE_Money calls (2)
justlikemike checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Td, 7d, 2h ]
I_HATE_Money checks.
justlikemike checks.
thong555 checks.
rascal7 bets (3)
terryterryw5 folds.
keone59 raises (6) to 6
myshkin9 folds.
I_HATE_Money calls (6)
justlikemike calls (6)
thong555 raises (9) to 9
rascal7 calls (6)
keone59 raises (6) to 12
I_HATE_Money calls (6)
justlikemike calls (6)
thong555 calls (3)
rascal7 calls (3)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qh ]
I_HATE_Money checks.
justlikemike checks.
thong555 checks.
rascal7 bets (6)
keone59 raises (12) to 12
I_HATE_Money calls (12)
justlikemike calls (12)
thong555 raises (18) to 18
rascal7 calls (2)
rascal7 is all-In.
keone59 raises (12) to 24
I_HATE_Money calls (12)
justlikemike calls (12)
thong555 calls (6)
Creating Main Pot with $118 with rascal7
** Dealing River ** : [ 4c ]
I_HATE_Money checks.
justlikemike checks.
thong555 checks.
keone59 bets (6)
I_HATE_Money raises (12) to 12
justlikemike folds.
thong555 calls (12)
keone59 calls (6)
I_HATE_Money: let's go
** Summary **
Main Pot: $118 | Side Pot 1: $100 | Rake: $3
Board: [ Td 7d 2h Qh 4c ]
dicefordeath balance $138.50, didn't bet (folded)
myshkin9 balance $129.25, lost $3 (folded)
d3man17 balance $174, sits out
I_HATE_Money balance $458, bet $51, collected $218, net +$167 [ Th Ts ] [ three of a kind, tens -- Qh,Th,Ts,Td,7d ]
damien0817 balance $150, sits out
justlikemike balance $65, lost $39 (folded)
thong555 balance $86, lost $51 [ 2c 2s ] [ three of a kind, twos -- Qh,Td,2c,2s,2h ]
rascal7 balance $0, lost $23 [ Ks Kd ] [ a pair of kings -- Ks,Kd,Qh,Td,7d ]
terryterryw5 balance $112.50, lost $3 (folded)
keone59 balance $146.50, lost $51 [ 7h 7s ] [ three of a kind, sevens -- Qh,Td,7h,7s,7d ]