Bush Wiretaps

[Benman]

Bush supporters will no doubt try to justify the use of non-judicially authorized wiretaps on American citizens that the president authorized in 2002. If you find yourself trying to rationalize this, ask yourself, when is enough enough? I'm not a conservative, but I have respect for conservatives who are that way ideologically, rather than reflexively partisan. At some point you have to jump ship.

[Beer and Pizza]

Don't worry. Right now the Democrats are killing the Patriot Act by fillibuster. Soon we will be back to normal, where the terrorists are free to do whatever they want in the USA. Good times.

Its not a matter of if the government will abuse its patriot act authority, its a matter of when.

If you go to a protest, you are on a list already.

[Andrew Fletcher]

Thanks for sticking up for authoratrianism, Beer and Pizza. I was a little concerned that you'd try to jump ship. You guys put him in power and defended him to the death-- now that Bush is going to go down in flames, I want to make sure you guys all go down with him.

[Beer and Pizza]

I only stand up for common sense procedures. Sorry if my not wanting to turn over our society to terrorists and criminals seems unreasonable. Let anarchy reign.

[tolbiny]

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I only stand up for common sense procedures. Sorry if my not wanting to turn over our society to terrorists and criminals seems unreasonable. Let anarchy reign.

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Serious question. Why was it nessecary to skip the court order for wire taps, which are aquireable and legal? Is it unreasonable?

The court has NEVER turned down a request for wiretaps. Damn liberal activist judges.

[Andrew Fletcher]

Yes, because the courts are totally controlled by communists.

[Andrew Fletcher]

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The court has NEVER turned down a request for wiretaps. Damn liberal activist judges.

[/ QUOTE ]Well, they might at some point. Or the Muslim-Communists-Homosexuals might take over the courts at some point if we let them take over Iraq.

[Beer and Pizza]

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Yes, because the courts are totally controlled by communists.

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Whoa don't throw terms around until you have discussed the 19th century definition of the term. Did I miss your "What is a Communist" thread?

YOU LOSE. GOOD DAY SIR.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/16/D8EHFJI82.html

Looks like the teraists are going to be running free in the streets. They now have a free pass to do whatever they please. Im scared, save me BUSH. SAVE ME GOVERNMENT!!!! AHHHH WHAT WILL WE DO WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT US AHHHHH

[Beer and Pizza]

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Serious question. Why was it nessecary to skip the court order for wire taps, which are aquireable and legal? Is it unreasonable?

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Only international calls are involved, and a federal judge oversees the process. As usual, the whole story is manipulated to sound unreasonable.

Do a Google News search on wiretaps and you can read a bunch of articles about how easy it is to avoid a wiretap. I guess its better to let the terrorists slip by, and then we can send them to prison for 500 concurrent life terms when they kill 500 people.

[tolbiny]

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Serious question. Why was it nessecary to skip the court order for wire taps, which are aquireable and legal? Is it unreasonable?

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Do a Google News search on wiretaps and you can read a bunch of articles about how easy it is to avoid a wiretap. I guess its better to let the terrorists slip by, and then we can send them to prison for 500 concurrent life terms when they kill 500 people.

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I am right in the middle of finals, if you could link an article or two i would appreciate it, otherwise i'll have to wait untill next week to get into it.

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Only international calls are involved, and a federal judge oversees the process. As usual, the whole story is manipulated to sound unreasonable.

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Ok- what is the difference between having a federal judge oversee it and having to apply for a warrent. If there is no difference why the nessecity for a directive? If there is a difference, what is it, and could it have been achieved without circumventing the law (if the law was actually circumvented)?

[theweatherman]

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Serious question. Why was it nessecary to skip the court order for wire taps, which are aquireable and legal? Is it unreasonable?

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Only international calls are involved, and a federal judge oversees the process. As usual, the whole story is manipulated to sound unreasonable.

Do a Google News search on wiretaps and you can read a bunch of articles about how easy it is to avoid a wiretap. I guess its better to let the terrorists slip by, and then we can send them to prison for 500 concurrent life terms when they kill 500 people.

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The question stands, why was it necessary to change the system if it is still so easy to "avoid" and is still so "controlled" ? If personal rights are still being as respected as they were (a qustionable statement at best) why was there any need for change at all? Unless of course the government was being hemmed in by ridiculou sprivacy rights?

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Only international calls are involved, and a federal judge oversees the process. As usual, the whole story is manipulated to sound unreasonable.

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A federal judge oversees the process??? Where do you get this?

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Do a Google News search on wiretaps and you can read a bunch of articles about how easy it is to avoid a wiretap. I guess its better to let the terrorists slip by, and then we can send them to prison for 500 concurrent life terms when they kill 500 people.

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Those who would sacrifice libery for security will lose both, and deserve neither. Your posts in this thread are a disgrace.

[tylerdurden]

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Those who would sacrifice libery for security will lose both, and deserve neither. Your posts in this thread are a disgrace.

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What about those (like yourself) that would sacrifice liberty for campaign finance reform?

[Beer and Pizza]

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Those who would sacrifice libery for security will lose both, and deserve neither. Your posts in this thread are a disgrace.

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What about those (like yourself) that would sacrifice liberty for campaign finance reform?

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The support of the squelching of free speech around here is sad. We complain about a lot of things around here, but I never thought so many would be against the fundamental principle of political free speech in America. No one against political free speech has any standing to complain about any other supposed civil rights issue.

[Andrew Fletcher]

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Those who would sacrifice libery for security will lose both, and deserve neither. Your posts in this thread are a disgrace.

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What about those (like yourself) that would sacrifice liberty for campaign finance reform?

[/ QUOTE ]The mark of a true libertarian is someone who makes outrages analogies that have no relevance to the actual topic. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[BCPVP]

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Those who would sacrifice libery for security will lose both, and deserve neither. Your posts in this thread are a disgrace.

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What about those (like yourself) that would sacrifice liberty for campaign finance reform?

[/ QUOTE ]The mark of a true libertarian is someone who makes outrages analogies that have no relevance to the actual topic. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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PVN eats libertarians for breakfast...

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Those who would sacrifice libery for security will lose both, and deserve neither. Your posts in this thread are a disgrace.

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What about those (like yourself) that would sacrifice liberty for campaign finance reform?

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??????

You need to distinguish between posts stating what the law is and posts advocating a normative position.