ace rag in the blinds

any thoughts on how to play ace rag in the blinds vs a steal raise. fold? call? reraise? this hand seems to have very little upside and big downside.

[The Truth]

I tend to 3 bet or fold. Arag is strong, so don't feel scared to 3 bet em.

blake

It really depends on their attempt to steal % whether you should raise or fold

[kiddo]

U seem to use the word "stealraise" as if we could discuss it without knowing who is stealing.

Its probably your biggest problem.

[Jeff W]

I call in the BB and fold in the SB against most opponents.

I don't want the initiative with Ace-rag.

How do people play this post flop? If you 3-bet preflop you're auto-betting most flops presumably. At that point, are you largely committed to a showdown with Ace-high?

I find JT easier than Ace-rag, more likelikhood of a good pair on the flop and if you completely whiff folding doesn't feel like a bit mistake with J-high. Not that Ace-rage isn't a better hand, I just have a harder time navigating the postflop streets with it.

[einbert]

rags man
man that means you are on your period dude

i fold rags but i wouldn't mind RAISing them either if you know what i mean

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the reason I didnt specify whether the raiser was a LAG or reasonably tight player becuase most players will open raise with a wide range of hands on the button, so its not easy to put them on a hand and I wanted to discuss this situation without the added help of any player specifics.

[Subby]

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I don't want the initiative with Ace-rag.

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This line of thinking is pretty interesting to me, one I have contemplated on occassion. Would you mind expanding on this?

[wackjob]

totall player/stat/read dependent. I will 3-bet more often than not. From SB I will 3-bet because I want it HU. From BB I will often just call or even fold if the SB is pretty tight and has called. It is all so very dependent upon your opponents.

[Schneids]

Since I'd like it to be community based modding, I need some feedback here:


Should I move this thread to SSHUSH?


Reasons for:
- it deals with arbitrary, basic PF stuff.
- the post is vague and our goal here is to discuss poker at a higher level...so if the post was more specific (ie some sort of player, table reads, how you're running, etc) we'd keep it.


Reasons against:
- it is still a situation that comes up in mid-high games.
- there is still potential to salvage some value out of it.



I ask cuz I received requests to do something about this thread, and as already stated, I wanna keep the forum as much a democracy as possible.

Gestapo? Or Laissez-faire?

[Jeff W]

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I don't want the initiative with Ace-rag.

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This line of thinking is pretty interesting to me, one I have contemplated on occassion. Would you mind expanding on this?

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I don't want the initiative because I want to collect some bets when I hit an ace and he's drawing dead and when the board is favorable to showdown Ace high I want him putting in bets, not me.