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Johnnyj580

12-15-2005, 08:35 PM

Hand 1

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP3 ($34.80)
CO ($24.40)
Button ($27.60)
Hero ($21.65)
BB ($15.50)
UTG ($29.25)
UTG+1 ($42.47)
MP1 ($4.40)
MP2 ($19.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($1.25) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks.

River: ($1.25) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
Hero bets $2, BB raises to $4, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, CO folds, Hero calls $2.

Final Pot: $9.25

Results in white below: 
Hero has 7h 9h (flush, king high).
BB has Ks 8s (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $9.25. 
I could've put him all-in for his last $8, but I figured it wasn't worth it longterm to make this move.

Hand 2
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG+1 ($50)
Hero ($42.75)
MP1 ($28.85)
MP2 ($61.05)
MP3 ($42.20)
CO ($36.75)
Button ($53.90)
SB ($41.79)
BB ($53.65)
UTG ($138.17)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2, 2 folds, MP3 calls $2, 4 folds.

Flop: ($6.75) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG bets $5, Hero calls $5, MP3 calls $5.

Turn: ($21.75) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks.

River: ($21.75) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG bets $10, Hero calls $35.75 (All-In), MP3 folds, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $67.50

Results in white below: 
Hero has 2c 2d (full house, twos full of kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $67.50. 

Raise flop?

Hand 3
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 ($50)
MP3 ($47.33)
CO ($122.95)
Button ($36.55)
SB ($70.65)
BB ($85.35)
UTG ($31.15)
UTG+1 ($79.90)
UTG+2 ($14.45)
Hero ($47)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif. MP2 posts a blind of $0.50. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, MP2 (poster) checks, MP3 calls $0.50, 1 fold, Button calls $0.50, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($3.25) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
BB folds, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets $2, Button calls $2, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls $2, MP2 folds.

Turn: ($9.25) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $3, MP3 folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: $12.25

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins $12.25. 

thanks
John

poboy

12-15-2005, 08:39 PM

You could try betting.

12-15-2005, 08:46 PM

1. why the hell wouldnt you 3bet all in? if it "isn't worth your time" to put the money in, stop playing poker.

2. Raise that flop, and if you must smooth call (not terrible depending on villain aggression), don't check that turn. Fast play fast play fast play. I'll spam a link to my waste of a post in the BBV forum - they DO pay off. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0#Post4203964 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=4203964&an=0&page=0#Post 4203964)

Hand three - raise flop, but you won't get paid off if he doesn't have anything, tough luck.

PoBoy321

12-15-2005, 08:49 PM

Hand 1 looks alright. You have a weak flush and it'd be very easy for him to have a higher one.

Hand 2 I would raise the flop.

Hand 3, bet the flop.

DoomSlice

12-15-2005, 08:52 PM

Against the majority of NL25 players that I've played against, hand1 is definately a raise. None of them will ever think that you caught a runner runner flush, and >70% of them will pay off with a strong king/2-pair.

DoomSlice

12-15-2005, 08:54 PM

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1. why the hell wouldnt you 3bet all in? if it "isn't worth your time" to put the money in, stop playing poker.

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His original quote:

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it wasn't worth it longterm

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Paraphrase him right next time!

Godfather80

12-15-2005, 09:05 PM

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Hand 1

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP3 ($34.80)
CO ($24.40)
Button ($27.60)
Hero ($21.65)
BB ($15.50)
UTG ($29.25)
UTG+1 ($42.47)
MP1 ($4.40)
MP2 ($19.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($1.25) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO checks.

River: ($1.25) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
Hero bets $2, BB raises to $4, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, CO folds, Hero calls $2.

Final Pot: $9.25

Results in white below: 
Hero has 7h 9h (flush, king high).
BB has Ks 8s (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $9.25. 
I could've put him all-in for his last $8, but I figured it wasn't worth it longterm to make this move.

Hand 2
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG+1 ($50)
Hero ($42.75)
MP1 ($28.85)
MP2 ($61.05)
MP3 ($42.20)
CO ($36.75)
Button ($53.90)
SB ($41.79)
BB ($53.65)
UTG ($138.17)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2, 2 folds, MP3 calls $2, 4 folds.

Flop: ($6.75) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG bets $5, Hero calls $5, MP3 calls $5.

Turn: ($21.75) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks.

River: ($21.75) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG bets $10, Hero calls $35.75 (All-In), MP3 folds, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $67.50

Results in white below: 
Hero has 2c 2d (full house, twos full of kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $67.50. 

Raise flop?

Hand 3
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 ($50)
MP3 ($47.33)
CO ($122.95)
Button ($36.55)
SB ($70.65)
BB ($85.35)
UTG ($31.15)
UTG+1 ($79.90)
UTG+2 ($14.45)
Hero ($47)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif. MP2 posts a blind of $0.50. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, MP2 (poster) checks, MP3 calls $0.50, 1 fold, Button calls $0.50, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($3.25) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
BB folds, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets $2, Button calls $2, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls $2, MP2 folds.

Turn: ($9.25) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $3, MP3 folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: $12.25

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins $12.25. 

thanks
John

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Hand 1 is fine

Hand 2: don't check the turn. You have to build this pot for yourself. Bet $14 pray for a call so that you can get all-in on the river. If they fold, too bad so sad.

Hand 3: lead the flop and hope to 3-bet it. You've got to build these pots early so you can get your stack in. As played, min-raise the flop when the action gets back around to you. It sucks to check-minraise, but since you already checked in this case it will probably get some more money in the pot for you. Then, bet half the pot on the turn and pray for a call.

jubeirm

12-15-2005, 09:27 PM

Hand 2: Is the hand not strong enough for this play? I like the check because is allows someone to draw to a flush or bluff on the river.

I would, however, raise the flop. We don't know we are going to boat-up on the turn. What however do we do to a re-raise, do we re-re-raise-all-in? And to an all-in do we call? I know its read dependent, but general comments are appreciated.

PoBoy321

12-15-2005, 09:39 PM

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Hand 2: Is the hand not strong enough for this play? I like the check because is allows someone to draw to a flush or bluff on the river.

I would, however, raise the flop. We don't know we are going to boat-up on the turn. What however do we do to a re-raise, do we re-re-raise-all-in? And to an all-in do we call? I know its read dependent, but general comments are appreciated.

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Your hand is plenty strong. You want to charge them to draw while they're drawing dead.

jubeirm

12-15-2005, 09:49 PM

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Hand 2: Is the hand not strong enough for this play? I like the check because is allows someone to draw to a flush or bluff on the river.

I would, however, raise the flop. We don't know we are going to boat-up on the turn. What however do we do to a re-raise, do we re-re-raise-all-in? And to an all-in do we call? I know its read dependent, but general comments are appreciated.

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Your hand is plenty strong. You want to charge them to draw while they're drawing dead.

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In the spirit of maximizing the value of these hands. Once we have them drawing dead how much do we bet? What we think they will call obviously, but do you suppose most players know the odds to draw to thier flush? Should we then under bet, thus tempting them to draw?

12-15-2005, 09:57 PM

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Hand 2: Is the hand not strong enough for this play? I like the check because is allows someone to draw to a flush or bluff on the river.

I would, however, raise the flop. We don't know we are going to boat-up on the turn. What however do we do to a re-raise, do we re-re-raise-all-in? And to an all-in do we call? I know its read dependent, but general comments are appreciated.

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Your hand is plenty strong. You want to charge them to draw while they're drawing dead.

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In the spirit of maximizing the value of these hands. Once we have them drawing dead how much do we bet? What we think they will call obviously, but do you suppose most players know the odds to draw to thier flush? Should we then under bet, thus tempting them to draw?

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Nope, bet 1/2-full pot leaning towards the high side, if they will call a 1/2 psb with a fd, they will call an extra 25% more. Many players at this level will chase to the river with what they see as a strong draw no matter what.

12-15-2005, 10:59 PM

Hand 1 is fairly standard w/o a read. Most hands that will call a re-raise will beat you, although given the stack sizes, it looks debatable.

Hand 2 just calling the flop is OK - especially if you know that you will get an overcall, but betting the turn would be nice.

Hand 3 you gotta bet too. It's easier to get more money in the pot by betting rather than being sneaky.