Anyone call this cocky guy?

Hey All,
I think that this would be a terrible call, but, I'm not completely sure.
Whatdya think?
BTW, I thought his "nice bet" remark was sort of funny.
Shooby


***** Hand History for Game 3204195781 *****
200/400 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 18294749) - Thu Dec 15 04:34:45 EST 2005
Table Table 66961 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: jbl1976 (2480)
Seat 4: kylej33 (595)
Seat 6: sw212 (2112)
Seat 7: FLMAN1945 (2813)
FLMAN1945 posts small blind (100)
jbl1976 posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sw212 [ Ah, Kd ]
kylej33 folds.
sw212 raises (450) to 450
FLMAN1945: nice bet
FLMAN1945 raises (2713) to 2813
FLMAN1945 is all-In.
jbl1976 folds.
sw212 ???

Push pre-flop or fold, not sure which one is right(I think push pre-flop), raising/folding too all in is terrible though.

[microbet]

I'm sure he taught you a lesson. I don't even wanna bother to think about what odds you are getting and just how short stacked shorty is. Just push preflop.

Villian is an evil genius if he said 'nice bet' and pushed with trash.

[therock]

Push pre-flop. That min-raise is just inviting the big stack to come over the top of you. Given the action, I would call the push.

Yeh, I realize I just donated to his stack. The problem was that shorty is so short, and I didn't want to bust in 4th.
I don't know if my stategy of waiting for shorty to bust is good, or weak, or what. Hmmmm. Enlighten me.
Shooby

[handsome]

Step 1: Push preflop

Step 2: Learn how to play SNG's.

I am learning how to play sng's. That's why I posted the question.
Shooby

[tewall]

Do you know ICM? If not, take a look at the FAQ. Run this through and see what your equity is if you lose all your chips vs. double up vs. fold.

The reason people are telling you to push is that it's very difficult to correctly call someone in this situation because if you lose you get nothing, but if you win, you don't improve your overall equity enough to compensate for the risk you are taking. If you go all-in, you put him in the quandry he's putting you in.

What makes the call hard is specifically that there are four people left, and one of the four has a small stack. What you want to have happen, in order, are:

1)Two other people go at each other.
2)You win a confrontation without a showdown.
3)You are called and win a confrontation.

Pushing gives you the best chance of not being called. So if you have to get involved, push.

AK is such a strong hand, you might be able to get away with calling here, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if calling is a negative expectation play here. Go through the ICM and find out! The FAQ will explain how, and understanding these concepts is crucial.

[tigerite]

You should definitely push this pf, don't be afraid to bust 4th.

[playtitleist]

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I am learning how to play sng's. That's why I posted the question.
Shooby

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[xJMPx]

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I don't know if my stategy of waiting for shorty to bust is good, or weak, or what. Hmmmm. Enlighten me.
Shooby

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Waiting for the shorty to bust is not a bad strategy, and it is mandatory when it comes to calling all-in for all of your chips.

However, the villain here is not going to want to become on par with shortie eiher, so if you push he will need a monster hand to call (or he's a donky). Simply raising here opened the door for him to put in the position of needing a monster hand, instead of the other way around. Fold AK here.

Yeah, I have sngpt, and I'm slowly learning how to use it.
I understand that I should push here, but that's not what I did. I guess what I have to get over is the fear of busting on the bubble.
Shooby.

[therock]

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Yeh, I realize I just donated to his stack. The problem was that shorty is so short, and I didn't want to bust in 4th.
I don't know if my stategy of waiting for shorty to bust is good, or weak, or what. Hmmmm. Enlighten me.
Shooby

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Each situation is different. In this case, the other two big stacks are probably saying the same thing, which makes taking their chips easier. AK is a premium hand and this is an auto-push pre-flop. I'm pushing A-10+ and 77+ (or at least real close to that).

[curtains]

allin preflop is correct in this situation, because you cant call a raise.

[microbet]

Just what everyone is saying, waiting for shorty is part of what you are doing and why you don't make bad calls or even marginal pushes, but this isn't a marginal push. It's an easy open-push.

[sofere]

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Yeh, I realize I just donated to his stack. The problem was that shorty is so short, and I didn't want to bust in 4th.

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That's exactly why villain just pushed over the top of you with 23o and that's exactly why you push this pf.

As for folding and waiting for shorty to bust...shorty ain't that short, you're gonna be folding a lotta blinds if you don't push anything and wait for shorty to bust. Especially if BS is a good bubble player.