AK turn decision

SB in this hand is a solid tag who could very well be 2p2
BB in this hand is a loose donkey
The CO here is 21/7/1.5 or so

Hero is in MP with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif

PREFLOP:
Folds to Hero, Hero raises, CO calls, folds to SB, SB calls, BB calls.

FLOP: 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (8 SB)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, SB raises, BB folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

TURN: Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (7 BB)
SB bets, Hero....?

[Yads]

I think this is a call, you have about 7 outs discounting your overs in half. CO doesn't have a pair otherwise he would have raised before the turn. He could have AQ so you do risk having to put in 2 bets if CO repops it, but juding by his aggression he's unlikely to put in 2 bets on the turn even if he does hit his queen. I call and hope CO doesn't raise.

[Knockwurst]

I put the SB on a hand like ATs, JTs, or T9s. I think if SB had a 6, he would wait for the turn to show stregnth. If it was just you and the SB maybe you could raise here, representing a Q, and still you have as many as 10 outs if he's not holding ATs (3 As, 3 Ks and 4 Js) and 7 outs if he is, with the possibility of a free showdown if you miss.

The CO is the unknown quantity. He may have something like AJs, in which case he should fold to two bets. But if he flopped tens full you're drawing dead, if he has AQs, KQs he'll probably reraise you as well. He could also be holding something like KJs, in which case he'll call two bets cold.

So I think I just call, and hope to see a river card for one BB with the plan to call down or bet out if an A or K hits and raise if my J hits.

[Roadstar]

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SB in this hand is a solid tag who could very well be 2p2
BB in this hand is a loose donkey
The CO here is 21/7/1.5 or so

Hero is in MP with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif

PREFLOP:
Folds to Hero, Hero raises, CO calls, folds to SB, SB calls, BB calls.

FLOP: 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (8 SB)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, SB raises, BB folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

TURN: Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (7 BB)
SB bets, Hero....?

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What limit is this? Lets assume 2/4

Reads on post flop play and aggression on the two?

Lets first try to put CO and SB in a range of hands. Both of them seem to be reasonable players. With you open raising in the hijack, a lot of thinking/good players may 3 bet if they think you're on a steal w/ like 99 or 88.

CO's cold call, assuming hes reasonably good can mean: KQs, AJs, AQs. Its unlikely to be a pair TT or higher as you would be 3 bet. He could be cold calling with a mid pocket pair.

SB's cold call range is probably similar but he wouldn't be 3 betting mid pocket pairs, so 22-88 (maybe 99) is fair game, plus the big suiteds AJs, AQs and KQs

SB's check raise on the flop with a paired board smells like a small-mid PP. 66 is unlikely because of probabilities and also he will slowplay. TT also unlikely as one can easily 3 bet a hijack open-raise with. JJ+ unlikely for same reason.

CO's call could mean hes calling 2 overs with a backdoor flush draw.

SB continues with a bet on the turn you look like you have immediate odds to call but I'm concerned about a raise from CO. His hand range could easily have a Q which would have you reverse dominated AQ or KQ so your A and K outs need to be discounted. So I saw about 7 outs. Pot odds justify a call if you closed the action. In this case, you don't, I fold here. Unless your read suggests CO is not too aggressive on the turn so you don't end up putting in 2 bets.

This is a very close one and I wouldn't be surprised to see others advocating a call.

Sorry this is party 2/4 forgot to include that

[ZenMusician]

We get C/R by a TAG who called 2 cold pf, and then
get led into as the pf raiser on the turn.

If your AKo is losing money in PT I know why...

-ZEN

[silkyslim]

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We get C/R by a TAG who called 2 cold pf, and then
get led into as the pf raiser on the turn.

If your AKo is losing money in PT I know why...

-ZEN

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ok smartguy. are you saying fold on the flop? i think this is wrong and there is no reason not to put SB on just a T. what is your line!

What about 3 betting the flop?

LLL

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We get C/R by a TAG who called 2 cold pf, and then
get led into as the pf raiser on the turn.

If your AKo is losing money in PT I know why...

-ZEN

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The SB here is someone who I noted is a solid tag who plays well and could very well be a 2p2er. What hand with a 6 in it do you think he's calling a raise with from the SB with only one cold caller and no limpers? TT is possible but I would think we'd see a 3-bet from TT here preflop. This screams mid PP or maybe a T.

This flop can't be a fold, and I actually raised the turn. The SBs flop raise looked like he was trying to protect. I know he is a solid player and will be able to get away from his presumably weak holding. The only person im concerned with is the Cold caller behind me, and even if he calls two cold on the turn I should have plenty of outs against a hand he's calling with unless its TT.

[Carmine]

I fold the turn. You don't know where you are in the hand, but can be pretty sure you're drawing. If you actually have six outs here your 7:1 in a 8BB pot. Barely a +EV situation.

[QTip]

[Quote]I fold the turn. You don't know where you are in the hand, but can be pretty sure you're drawing. If you actually have six outs here your 7:1 in a 8BB pot. Barely a +EV situation. [Quote/]

It looks like a great time to play the game to me.

I like the raise.

[damaniac]

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Barely a +EV situation.

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Why would you ever fold if this is the case?

[Carmine]

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Barely a +EV situation.

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Why would you ever fold if this is the case?

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Because that is best case scenario. You could easily be up against a hand like AT/AQ/KQ.

[damaniac]

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Barely a +EV situation.

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Why would you ever fold if this is the case?

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Because that is best case scenario. You could easily be up against a hand like AT/AQ/KQ.

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So then the situation isn't +EV.

Edit: And against those hands you still have 6/7 outs. Which is what you described as a best-case scenario.

[Carmine]

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Barely a +EV situation.

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Why would you ever fold if this is the case?

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Because that is best case scenario. You could easily be up against a hand like AT/AQ/KQ.

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So then the situation isn't +EV.

Edit: And against those hands you still have 6/7 outs. Which is what you described as a best-case scenario.

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That's what I'm saying. We are just +EV IF we have 6 outs. We could easily have only 3 or a slim chance we are drawing dead against CO's A6. How do we have 6-7 outs against AT/AQ/KQ??

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That's what I'm saying. We are just +EV IF we have 6 outs. We could easily have only 3 or a slim chance we are drawing dead against CO's A6. How do we have 6-7 outs against AT/AQ/KQ??

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If you think CO's stats imply that he is capable of Cold Calling with A6 then his range here is huge and putting him on a Q or 6 is giving him way too much credit. We have every reason to believe that we should be able to move the SB off of his hand, and the CO hasnt shown us anything except a lot of calling. He could have a medium pair or an unpaired ace among other things.

IMO. There is no joy to come from continuing in this hand.