Suck out or bad play???????

[baseball38]

3-6$ B&M game and we are on a full kill

I am big blind with Q /forums/images/icons/club.gif J /forums/images/icons/club.gif and 4 others just call. Flop: A /forums/images/icons/club.gif 9 /forums/images/icons/club.gif 4 /forums/images/icons/club.gif I am first to act so I check thinking the ace might bring a bet or I might let someone catch a little something (if I only knew). It is checked through (damn!). Turn comes 6 /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif I bet 3 call. River 4 /forums/images/icons/heart.gif . Cool I have to be good right? I bet and get raised and just call. The guy that raised had 64o. I think giving the free card killed me on this one, but none the less he still had to call 6$ before the flop in a 3-6$ game.

Comments, cirtiques and scoldings welcome!

baseball38 /forums/images/icons/spade.gif

[kelvin474]

you have GOT to bet that flop. You can't give a free card to any number of decent hands. 2 pair, a set, AK with K /forums/images/icons/club.gif , maybe a lone K /forums/images/icons/club.gif even, will all call you I think in this situation, some correctly (K /forums/images/icons/club.gif is getting 6:1 to see the turn card but is only 38:7 against making a bigger flush on the turn, 44 or 99 is also 38:7 against beating you on the turn with a boat or 4 of a kind; AA also, but that guy would raise preflop most likely.

But most of the opposing hands are not getting odds to call you. When you check, you are giving them a play with positive EV (check behind and take a free shot at the (and your) nuts, and when you bet, they have to choose between a play with 0 EV (folding) and a play with negative EV (calling or horrors, raising (dare we hope for that? /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif ).

Another problem i think is this: What do you want them to make, so they will call a bet? those clubs are still sitting on the board, so they're probably not going to stay in if they can't beat a flush, especially the times that another club comes on turn or river.

You need somebody to make a second best hand without a club coming. That will probably kill your action if you are winning, but then the K /forums/images/icons/club.gif will steal your lunch money if it is out there.

In summary, I don't think it is likely that someone's gonig to make a payoff hand ihere. A club scares em and if you have to check to keep them around, it sounds like they're pretty scared of the flush already.